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Old 18-01-2013, 15:11   #123
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Re: Oh Hum its a funny old world

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Originally Posted by Guinness View Post
Nope not saying that at all. I'm not talking about equality, I'm talking about value, worth and fairness.

Your mate deserves what he has, he's grafted, he is productive and is value for money. I have no problem with him earning more than his cleaner or him living in a castle, I am not a communist.

Who do you think deserves the better pay...the bloke who hits a ball with a stick and wears a hat with a tick on it, the banker that gets a six figure bonus for losing your pension fund or the bloke that helps you get around Accrington. Which one is the most value for money and the most productive? And most importantly do you think that the gap between their incomes is fair?
You are right, of course. You know you have to be on the right track when blinkered tories bring up Stalin I don't quite agree on the "athlete" thingy ... sure they earn too much, though I don't buy that short career argument ... after all, at a $100,000 a week, even four or five months would set one up pretty good But it's the Sheiks and other assorted billionaires who are ruining football, hockey, basketball etc. And the sponsors who mess around with other sports. What surprises me is that tens of thousands of Mancs have convinced themselves that they are watching "local" teams.Stanley is a football club; Manchester United is a marketing vehicle for overpriced red shirts with foreign names on the back.

And there will always be "this one guy that I know" who, with hard work, and some luck made it big. And, of course, the thousands who start off flipping burgers and graduate to slopping floors are conveniently forgotten ... they work just as hard, but didn't get the breaks. Tories, and to a slightly lesser degree, "new" socialists would have folks believe in equal opportunity, the level playing field idea ... as if we all begin the race at the same start line. That is one immense crock of horse manure. One can imagine what, say, David Cameron would be doing for a living if he had been born, to a poor single women in the projects. Living on welfare? Dealing a little dope on the side? Most likely he would be in jail The competitive model is not working ... and the irony is that most of those who have benefitted from competition want to eliminate it when they have made it big. Even the laissez faire US has laws against too few companies getting too much control.

If this funny old world is to survive co-operative models are the only ones which will work. After all, it's a good Lancashire idea. Came out of Rochdale in the 1840s

The little people are starting to get together and flex their muscle. Perfect results, of course, are not being acheived ... but "two steps forward, one step back" is still progress. In this "connected" world, folks are becoming aware of the glaring inequities you are pointing to, an ironic result of a socially connected world created by capitaists. About 3 months ago, four First Nations' women in Saskatoon came up with the idea for an "Idle No More" movement. Now look at it:

Idle No More - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Maybe this is the new politics. Maybe it will lead to a new economics. But all over the world people ... well, once they have removed their blinkers ... are getting pee'd off. Yanks are looking at their economic recovery being held hostage by the childish bs going on in Congress. They see US corporations exporting jobs, not products, in order to squeeze out a few extra bucks for the already rich. The US tories ... they prefer to be called Republicans ... are in disarray. The new revolution is underway. No bombs and barricades ... no real 'leadership" ... just smart phones, tablets and laptops.
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