It seems to me they will NEVER learn, 2 of those who seek to lead the party, think they should be reaching out to business to regain popularity!!! well how about this fer a novel idea? They should be trying to reach the MAJORITY of the british public who can't be arsed to vote, This to me is the answer to why Labour are knackered, NOT business who will always swing wi whatever suits the pocket best, which is usually Tory any way. Any government to be elected here these days are elected by a MINORITY of the british public, they should ask themselves why thats the case. But they won't, too thick to see it.