Panorama programme about getting folk back to work.

[Less]

It was about how the companies set up to help long term and disabled back to work.
A very interesting prog' showing how the companies set up cherry picked the easier people to place in work so that they could get the bonuses.
Leaving the very people it was aimed to help yet again being ignored.
If you missed it worth watching on catch up on BBC1.
However, before c'mon hijacks the thread and turns it into an Anti-Tory rant, I'd just like to say I agree and no doubt the many disabled jobseekers themselves also agree with the principle of getting back to work, but not with the way most of the companies that gained the contract treat people.
For these people the money seems to be the thing not assisting people.

[egg&chips]

Disgraceful but not surprising Less. When targets equate with cash bonuses, corners are cut and the bonus becomes the focus ather than doing the job right. Public sector, private sector it's all the same. Greed seems to be THE main motivating factor in most walks of life, but then again wasn't it always like that?

[cashman]

Watched it tonight, its hardly surprising though given whose idea it was.

[cmonstanley]

been telling you for years about these companies, billions wasted.these are private equity companies for profit ripping off the tax payer.

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Less

However, before c'mon hijacks the thread and turns it into an Anti-Tory rant

Too late!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Too late!

Not really,he said fer years!!! as i recall Labour was in years ago?

[accyman]

in this program it highlighted how these companies that are supposed to help the sick and dissabled refer to them as L.T.B's which stands for Lying Theiving Bastards

thats like been a nurse and refering to everyone in the hospital as scummy hypechondriacs

[Gordon Booth]

Disappointing to see what's happening.

Question- if they put the disabled on the 'Park' list they don't get any more money.
But does being on this list mean the disabled get less benefits, so the Government gains anyway?

[Less]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Disappointing to see what's happening.

Question- if they put the disabled on the 'Park' list they don't get any more money.
But does being on this list mean the disabled get less benefits, so the Government gains anyway?

I think you misunderstand, putting someone on park, basically means, we will invest no more time or money in this person, but we still have them on the books.
The person, because that is what he/she is, doesn't have their benefit removed, just their hopes dashed.
Must be their own fault, they are obviously refusing to be part of the bigger picture, you know the one...





We're all in it together!

[Gordon Booth]

Originally Posted by Less

I think you misunderstand, putting someone on park, basically means, we will invest no more time or money in this person, but we still have them on the books.
The person, because that is what he/she is, doesn't have their benefit removed, just their hopes dashed.
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Sorry, Less, Badly worded sentence. I meant the company doesn't get any more money because they've 'parked' the disabled person.
I just wondered if the benefits to the individual changed, if as you say they don't that's fair enough. I wondered if it was a sneaky way to cut benefits.

[accyman]

basically if it costs one of these companies £500 to get somone into work but the government is only giving them £400 for that person then that person is a loss and not to be helped as long as there are people who will only cost the company £100 to get back into work.

figures are just examples not actually what these agencies get but i can assure you they can get up to near £10,0000 per person they get back into work by the time the 3 bonus levels for that person have been paid out which is money that could be spent on providing equiptment for the disabled to lead normal lives

government has merely relocated money from the sick and disabled into the pockets of these companies but thats not as abhorant to the public as a person in a wheelchair getting a ramp fitted to their home and £100 a week to live on because the sick have been targeted and vilified where as greedy buisnessmen are still acceptable.

just a quick note

these people that endure their disability and progress in teh work place dont get any bonus for their hard work the only people who get hundreds and in some cases thousands of pounds are the agencies so they basically get paid for doing nothing but sit back and watch teh dissabled person earn them their bonus.If a disabled person stays in employment for 3 years the company gets over £6500 ontop of teh previous 2 bonus levels the disabled person has earned them