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SteveB47 14-08-2016 11:24

Really Really Old Stuff - Any Help Appreciated
 
Hello to all

It's been a while since I was here. I've been busy writing two books. :enough:

I'm now researching a third book about my grandfather on my Dad's side. Both Dad and his father were called Frederick Bentley (my Dad was known as Fred to all and sundry). I know grandfather lived in Newark Street at one time (as late as the 1950s) next to the Antley pub, and close to my maternal grandmother (Cornwall).

I'm researching for a book about my grandfather's service in both World Wars in the Royal Navy. He was on the Prince of Wales when the Japs sunk it in 1941. I'm OK with the Navy bit apart from one thing.

So, I would love to know a few things:
  • His Navy records show his occupation on joining in 1919 as a carter. I know what that is, but anyone any idea what a typical carter would have done in Accy in that era? Like who were the big employers at the time other than the mills or could it have been at the railway station?
  • Does anyone know any local historical reason why a young lad from Accy would go all the way to Devonport to join the Navy? For example, was there a local recruiting drive?
  • Finally, I have discovered that a navy training establishment was started named Accrington. Anyone have any info on that?

Thanks for reading this and get in touch please if you have any info no matter how inconsequential you may think it is.

Margaret Pilkington 14-08-2016 11:35

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I know this may sound a bit daft, but carters were like the removal folk.
They would pick up and deliver large items for people.
I suppose they were the DHL of the day.
If you had a horse and cart, you could always find work.
There was always someone who wanted to move house......sometimes late at night:)

Margaret Pilkington 14-08-2016 12:43

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here is some more information about the companies that employed carters.
I cannot take credit for it as it was passed to me by a very knowledgeable chap :)

There were many employed by Bulloughs
& Langs Bridges also other large manufacturers
like Broad Oak and such employed them or used them
to take goods to and from the Rail Station, when I was a kid
we used to wait at the bottom of Adelaide st for Bulloughs
horses. The drovers would lift us on to their backs, and we
would hold on to their manes till we got to the big field
now occupied by the college of knowledge in Sandy Lane
When I started at Langs just as the war ended they still used a
self employed carter to bring special sands from the railway
sidings in Charter St to, Langs moulding shop.

I hope this helps you.

bananagood 14-08-2016 14:21

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cashman 14-08-2016 16:39

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Was a Pat Cornwall lived on Newark St in 60s, dunno what became of her, a slim lass and always seemed ok to me.

Margaret Pilkington 14-08-2016 17:49

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I have been asked to pass on the info that their was a recruiting station for the Royal Navy in Accrington. It also recruited for the Royal Marines. It was known as the Accrington Out Station
It operated between the years of 1909 to 1919.
If you passed the medical you were given a rail docket to the Naval Depot.

Again, this information came from someone in the know... I take no credit for it.

SteveB47 14-08-2016 23:47

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1174593)
Was a Pat Cornwall lived on Newark St in 60s, dunno what became of her, a slim lass and always seemed ok to me.

Thanks Cashman, Pat is my cousin and lives in London. She has lived there for ages after a few years moving about as an 'Army wife' as she married a soldier.

Yes, I agree she is "alright" :)

She was the eldest of my Mum's twin Jack Cornwall. You may know my other cousins who also lived in Newark Street at one time before moving to Dill Hall Lane - Joan, Keith and Michael Boast. All three still live in Accy as does their Mum (my aunt) who turned 100 in February.

SteveB47 14-08-2016 23:52

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1174605)
I have been asked to pass on the info that their was a recruiting station for the Royal Navy in Accrington. It also recruited for the Royal Marines. It was known as the Accrington Out Station
It operated between the years of 1909 to 1919.
If you passed the medical you were given a rail docket to the Naval Depot.

Again, this information came from someone in the know... I take no credit for it.

Margaret that is so helpful, as is the information about carters and the railway station.

Will you please pass on my gratitude to the person who gave you this information.

Also please check here from time to time as some more questions may arise.

I really appreciate you taking the time and trouble to respond.

Margaret Pilkington 15-08-2016 05:59

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You are welcome Steve.
I will most certainly pass on your appreciation.....and as you can see from my post count, I am a very regular visitor to the site...daily visits are my habit.
If I find out anything else I will post it.

cashman 15-08-2016 07:49

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Originally Posted by SteveB47 (Post 1174627)
Thanks Cashman, Pat is my cousin and lives in London. She has lived there for ages after a few years moving about as an 'Army wife' as she married a soldier.

Yes, I agree she is "alright" :)

She was the eldest of my Mum's twin Jack Cornwall. You may know my other cousins who also lived in Newark Street at one time before moving to Dill Hall Lane - Joan, Keith and Michael Boast. All three still live in Accy as does their Mum (my aunt) who turned 100 in February.

Ok ta. pleased to know shes alright,;)

Frank T 12-10-2019 16:39

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Hi SteveB47, I`ve just found your enquiry, in the early 1960s there was a Jack Cornwall at Holy Family school he lived somewhere off Willows Lane, I last saw him about 1969 in the Willow Mount WMC where he was a member. Maybe someone from either mentioned location could help. Best of luck with your search.

SteveB47 13-10-2019 01:17

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Originally Posted by Frank T (Post 1232633)
Hi SteveB47, I`ve just found your enquiry, in the early 1960s there was a Jack Cornwall at Holy Family school he lived somewhere off Willows Lane, I last saw him about 1969 in the Willow Mount WMC where he was a member. Maybe someone from either mentioned location could help. Best of luck with your search.

Thanks, Frank. If you saw him in 1969 I doubt it was my uncle Jack Cornwall (my mother's twin brother) as to the best of my recollection he died before then. He was born in 1924 so would not be at school in the early 1960s.

But thanks for your interest and taking the trouble to let me know.

SteveB47 13-10-2019 01:39

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1174630)
You are welcome Steve.
I will most certainly pass on your appreciation.....and as you can see from my post count, I am a very regular visitor to the site...daily visits are my habit.
If I find out anything else I will post it.

Hello Margaret. I was prompted into updating you owing to a recent reply to my query. Since your last update John Simpson of Accrington Library has been most helpful particularly in regards to the Accrington Outpost - the Royal Navy recruiting office.

He even went as far as sending me a microfiche page from the records in 1915 showing my grandfather's date of signing up along with the names of others. I attach them to this reply. You may have to magnify them to read them.

My grandfather's entry is third from the bottom. The photos show the left and right hand side of the entries. Most are "approved" but check out the couple that aren't. One show 'Spine curvature- and another 'Absconded en route.'

These new recruits were given a travel warrant and then they made their own way to usually wither Plymouth for Devonport, or Portsmouth. Clearly, one of these potential boy sailors changed his mind.

Margaret Pilkington 13-10-2019 09:20

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Thank you Steve.
These thumbnails are deceiving....you can tap on them and the site enlarges them.
I am pleased that you received good information and help from the library.

Margaret Pilkington 13-10-2019 09:34

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Steve....not sure if this will be any good to you, but I will post it anyway.
I got it off Ancestry.com.
I hope you haven't got it already.

If you want a better copy for your records then let me have an e-mail address where I can send it, but PM this to me rather than post it on here.

Bob Dobson 14-10-2019 03:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveB47 (Post 1174627)
Thanks Cashman, Pat is my cousin and lives in London. She has lived there for ages after a few years moving about as an 'Army wife' as she married a soldier.

Yes, I agree she is "alright" :)

She was the eldest of my Mum's twin Jack Cornwall. You may know my other cousins who also lived in Newark Street at one time before moving to Dill Hall Lane - Joan, Keith and Michael Boast. All three still live in Accy as does their Mum (my aunt) who turned 100 in February.

A Boast family lived at 26 Persia St in the 1940s and 1950s.

SteveB47 15-10-2019 09:06

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1232651)
Steve....not sure if this will be any good to you, but I will post it anyway.
I got it off Ancestry.com.
I hope you haven't got it already.

If you want a better copy for your records then let me have an e-mail address where I can send it, but PM this to me rather than post it on here.

Thanks, Margaret. I already have his naval records from the Admiralty official records. That image there seems like only a partial record.
At one time I had the original written on a linen -type paper. I gave it to a relative in the States who framed it.
But thanks for your kind help in tying to get some information.

SteveB47 15-10-2019 09:09

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Originally Posted by Bob Dobson (Post 1232661)
A Boast family lived at 26 Persia St in the 1940s and 1950s.

Thanks, Bob. That may have been my relatives before they moved to Newark Street.


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