Accrington Stanley

[Margaret Pilkington]

The recession hits us all in the pockets, and I guess that football clubs around the country are all having to tighten their belts quite a bit.
This must have had an effect, and it doesn't matter how good management are, if the folk can't afford to go through the turnstiles then the money just isn't there.

While I am not a follower of football, I do think that the football club are an asset that we cannot do without....for the reasons stated in other posts.
They do what Peter Britcliffe would love to be able to do......that is, draw attention to the town of Accrington.
I have travelled far and wide and when I say I am from Accrington, everyone has heard of Accrington Stanley.

Accrington Stanley must survive, it is a good focus, a healthy focus for the people of the town.
I applaud all the work that is being done to ensure that the HMRC get their pound of flesh(bleeding Shylocks)!

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Less

I take it that with such sentiments as the above you won't be contributing anything, (including a worthwhile explanation for the rest of us)?

i presume groove has gone to Billy Smarts, its time fer the Clowns to practice.

[BERNADETTE]

I just assumed with HMRC coming down so quickly on the club that the plans drawn up in June meant monthly payments over the next twelve months to clear the debt. We will probably never know for certain so all we can hope for now is that the fantastic fund-raising efforts by all involved come to fruition and save "The Stanley"

[cashman]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

so all we can hope for now is that the fantastic fund-raising efforts by all involved come to fruition and save "The Stanley"

that is the whole point, its decent ordinary people, pulling their tripe out, to save one of accys best assets, (120 jobs) as someone posted, probably more if ya include the franchise stalls/counters in the crown ground, it is not a time fer "Who Did What" that will not be n issue if unsucessfull, all groove has tried to do IMHO is undermine these good people n in my eyes tells me what kinda person groove is.

[Wynonie Harris]

What's ironic is that at long last, the club are showing signs of making progress. Fans will tell you that over the last few weeks, the club has become more user-responsive to supporters and altogether more professional in the way it goes about things. Merchandise is delivered promptly, the website is kept up-to-date, new initiatives are regularly introduced. The projected new ground improvements can only serve to make the club a more enticing prospect to the citizens of Accrington. There is now a real chance that the club could start to pay its way.

It would be a crying shame if the club slipped back into oblivion now, just as it's about to enter a new phase.

[shillelagh]

with any luck it'll be saved and accy will still have its stanley .... and with the people of accy hopefully pulling together they might get some more fans from this ....

[JEFF]

Originally Posted by groove

Most the team are arrogant scouse gits.

Name them

[groove]

Look,i really feel for the supporters and the dedicated staff etc and agree that a league team could be beneficial to the town,but when you take away the sentimentality it has been one disgrace after another.To elaborate although a few years back now,the team went drinking locally and behaved like animals as reported in Observer.Then we had the betting scam,and then when Steven Gerrard got nicked that night the main instigators are two Stanley players.Dunbavvin i think one of thems called Jeff!!! hope for the decent folk who watch Stanley they get out of this mess.I understand that Mr.Whalley was in charge until recently-talk about rats and sinking ships! I was over the moon at Stanleys initial resurgance but after the above events and a first team player talking to a friends dad with utter contempt in players lounge towards end of last season,all sympathy for the playing team particularly is rapidly disappearing.Sorry to offend and hope its a case of ON STANLEY ON...Then maybe the club can give something back to the town

[cashman]

notice ya came back wi proof of yer claims as less requested. i fer one think yer a bitter twisted clown. and don't believe a word of yer "i really feel" crap, find a deep hole n bury yerself in it.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by cashman

i presume groove has gone to Billy Smarts, its time fer the Clowns to practice.

Na cashy he or she have got their face on back to front, they ain't a clue whether they're coming or going, hopefully going

[Less]

Just a quick thought, how is this money being collected?

If it is just, the life and soul of the supporters giving to keep the Club alive and not registered as a charity, couldn't the people demanding their cash, (tax etc.), then turn around and say o.k. you've paid off your debt, but with money you got as some form of profit?

I would hate for you to go through all this effort only to be stuck with another bill from them for the hard work you are putting in.

[AccyMad]

Originally Posted by groove

Look,i really feel for the supporters and the dedicated staff etc and agree that a league team could be beneficial to the town,but when you take away the sentimentality it has been one disgrace after another.To elaborate although a few years back now,the team went drinking locally and behaved like animals as reported in Observer.Then we had the betting scam,and then when Steven Gerrard got nicked that night the main instigators are two Stanley players.Dunbavvin i think one of thems called Jeff!!! hope for the decent folk who watch Stanley they get out of this mess.I understand that Mr.Whalley was in charge until recently-talk about rats and sinking ships! I was over the moon at Stanleys initial resurgance but after the above events and a first team player talking to a friends dad with utter contempt in players lounge towards end of last season,all sympathy for the playing team particularly is rapidly disappearing.Sorry to offend and hope its a case of ON STANLEY ON...Then maybe the club can give something back to the town

There were six in total arrested with Stevie Gerrard that night so how do you know that our two players were 'the main instigators' - were you there? Yes, they were involved but at least they held there hands up, were sentenced accordingly & have apologised publicly - unlike the famous Stevie G who was declared innocent even though there was footage of him punching the bloke.
The betting scam made all true Stanley fans sick to the stomach - but these players are gone now and the club itself was not to blame.
Lastly, pray tell me where our 'players lounge' is - we do not have one, unless you mean the sports bar where everyone is welcome & I can honestly say I do not believe any of our players would abuse anyone in there unless they'd maybe been given a mouthful themselves - even then most of them would simply walk away. If you don't want to donate - thats fine and is your perogative but don't make up stories as an excuse not to.

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by Less

Just a quick thought, how is this money being collected?

If it is just, the life and soul of the supporters giving to keep the Club alive and not registered as a charity, couldn't the people demanding their cash, (tax etc.), then turn around and say o.k. you've paid off your debt, but with money you got as some form of profit?

I would hate for you to go through all this effort only to be stuck with another bill from them for the hard work you are putting in.

Donations from supporters should not be classed as profit.
What I would make sure of is that donations from supporters to help the club is not swallowed up by the revenue. I think a responsible person in charge of that amount of donated monies should be involved in the negotiations with the revenue and the club. The donated monies should be used as a bargaining tool if required to secure a deal.
If the Revenue do not agree to an extention of the deadline, the responsible person should be in a position to withdraw the offer of the donation.
I feel sure that the revenue will make a deal and grant an extention but make sure all uncrossed boxes are ticked before commitment is made and the money is handed over.

[West Ender]

The Revenue usually accomodates, to some degree, debtors who don't wait to be chased before asking for time to pay. Did someone mention that this was tax and NIC that was not paid over when due? In other words, was this PAYE tax due on players' wages under a previous régime?

What HMRC will not tolerate is default on an existing arrangement and, when time to pay is granted, that is made very clear to the debtor. If he defaults, the whole amount becomes due immediately. I know absolutely nothing about this case but, from what I've read here, I'm guessing that's what happened. It's a shame for the club and I hope they can resolve it without going out of business again.

[Royboy39]

Originally Posted by West Ender

The Revenue usually accomodates, to some degree, debtors who don't wait to be chased before asking for time to pay. Did someone mention that this was tax and NIC that was not paid over when due? In other words, was this PAYE tax due on players' wages under a previous régime?

What HMRC will not tolerate is default on an existing arrangement and, when time to pay is granted, that is made very clear to the debtor. If he defaults, the whole amount becomes due immediately. I know absolutely nothing about this case but, from what I've read here, I'm guessing that's what happened. It's a shame for the club and I hope they can resolve it without going out of business again.

That learn'ed observation is spot on.
Someone, somewhere is not telling the absolute truth.
Is the club insolvent or not?
Can the liabilities be met by the current disposable assets?
The money is owed and due. Pray that the Revenue Officer dealing with this case knows that there are many people out there who would not wish Accrington Stanley to go under.