Little white lies - Page 5

katex · 19-03-2009, 17:04

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Try Aunt Bessies kate their better than ASDA's own

Oh no Jaysay ... don't like Aunt Bessies ... they don't rise properly.

The Asda ones I buy are their 'specials' .. 4 big square ones in a pack, just 4 minute warm up ... they are lovely. Can even get a sausage in them to emulate Toad in the Hole ... I lie not.

Sometimes 'tis dangerous not to tell a white lie, but if you are little inexperienced can be difficult as one episode I had:-

Daughter enters ready for night out wearing high black boots and other black clothing, asks me for opinion .. not sure whether was white lie or not, but said "'looks lovely".

Wishing to get a second opinion, she turns to much younger brother (probably about 13 years at the time). He, of course, totally disinterested says "Yes, Ok". Daughter suspects he has done a man-type thing here and forces the point until young son says "Ok, you look like a prostitute"

Think he learnt a lesson that day.

panther · 19-03-2009, 18:08

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Originally Posted by jaysay

Try Aunt Bessies kate their better than ASDA's own

Try smart price ones(ready made, cuz im a lazy git)...half the price and taste bootiful

Eric · 19-03-2009, 18:46

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Originally Posted by jaysay

I agree with you Margaret, I don't think I'd have wanted to tell my father how poorly he was either, sometimes it is better to hide the truth, especially on halth issues

Is hiding the truth different from lying? And, if so, how is it different

churchman phil · 19-03-2009, 18:53

I suppose if you say nothing when asked you're asked then you can't lie....can you??

MargaretR · 19-03-2009, 18:58

Another point - when you choose to tell the truth - you are choosing to indicate -
I will not insult you by misleading you
I am self confident enough to not mind if you cannot accept it

jaysay · 19-03-2009, 19:08

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Originally Posted by katex

Oh no Jaysay ... don't like Aunt Bessies ... they don't rise properly.

The Asda ones I buy are their 'specials' .. 4 big square ones in a pack, just 4 minute warm up ... they are lovely. Can even get a sausage in them to emulate Toad in the Hole ... I lie not.

Sometimes 'tis dangerous not to tell a white lie, but if you are little inexperienced can be difficult as one episode I had:-

Daughter enters ready for night out wearing high black boots and other black clothing, asks me for opinion .. not sure whether was white lie or not, but said "'looks lovely".

Wishing to get a second opinion, she turns to much younger brother (probably about 13 years at the time). He, of course, totally disinterested says "Yes, Ok". Daughter suspects he has done a man-type thing here and forces the point until young son says "Ok, you look like a prostitute"

Think he learnt a lesson that day.

Oh stop it, I'm gasping for breathe kate

Kids as I think we've said before, don' you just love um, well maybe not big sisters that is

MargaretR · 19-03-2009, 19:10

Did you not wonder how he knew (at the tender age of 13)

Margaret Pilkington · 19-03-2009, 19:16

You know Margaret, that is just what I thought at the time that kate posted that....but I felt it was impolite to ask.

Eric · 19-03-2009, 19:17

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Originally Posted by churchman phil

I suppose if you say nothing when asked you're asked then you can't lie....can you??

In other words, you take the fifth?

churchman phil · 19-03-2009, 19:20

We don't have that in the UK Eric!!

Although I think many a little white lie has been told in our courts without detection - some whoppers too no doubt!!!

So unless you're privy to such an act, how do you know??

Margaret Pilkington · 19-03-2009, 19:22

I think the post which outlines the number of ways to lie explains it all.......you can lie just as easily by omission as by comission......you can lie by telling the truth, but out of context and in a way that twists the truth.......

West Ender · 19-03-2009, 19:58

I think it would be a horrible world if we all told only the strict truth all the time. What a miserable bunch we'd all be.

I have a neighbour who, twenty-odd years ago, gave birth to her youngest child who was one the the ugliest babies I've ever seen. The first time I saw her pushing the pram I leaned over to look at the baby, as you do, ready to say how beautiful she was - and she wasn't. What could I say? The mother stood there looking a bit apprehensive (I think even she knew this kid was seriously revolting) and I had to say, "Oh, she's lovely." I suppose I could have been honest and said she was not at all lovely or been diplomatic and said nothing but I think that would have been worse. How could I hurt that mother? Well, I couldn't.

I'm not an habitual liar. I don't lie about important things but I'll lie to be kind - if I have to. Oh and, Susie, I like your style.

P.S. The ugly baby is now about 25 and ........ not too bad.

jaysay · 19-03-2009, 20:10

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Originally Posted by Eric

In other words, you take the fifth?

Well its not in British law Eric, but by the hell if it was there would be plenty of people using it believe me

Eric · 19-03-2009, 23:46

Jaysay and Churchman: are you sure you don't have the fifth? I'm inclined to believe that some form of "I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I might incriminate myself" exists in English law. Even if it is not explicitly stated in any form of written constitution, it must, in an enlightened legal system such as yours, be strongly implied in practice. In Canada, as far as I am aware, any accused in a court of law cannot be forced to give evidence against him/herself ... and that is what the fifth is all about. Damned Tullamore Dew makes me sound like a pedant

Keep an eye out for my (possible) upcoming article in "Studies in Bibliography" on the first impression of the first edition of Fielding's "Tom Jones" ... recommended for those who have trouble sleeping

jaysay · 20-03-2009, 09:46

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Originally Posted by Eric

Jaysay and Churchman: are you sure you don't have the fifth? I'm inclined to believe that some form of "I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I might incriminate myself" exists in English law. Even if it is not explicitly stated in any form of written constitution, it must, in an enlightened legal system such as yours, be strongly implied in practice. In Canada, as far as I am aware, any accused in a court of law cannot be forced to give evidence against him/herself ... and that is what the fifth is all about. Damned Tullamore Dew makes me sound like a pedant

Keep an eye out for my (possible) upcoming article in "Studies in Bibliography" on the first impression of the first edition of Fielding's "Tom Jones" ... recommended for those who have trouble sleeping

On reflection the miranda does say You have the rite to remain silent, If you do speak, it will be written down and maybe used in evidence against you, but I can't think there is anything like the fifth in British law, but I do know the accused does not have to go in the witness box, during his/her trial, as was demonstrated in the recent murder trial of the guy who shot that young kid in Liverpool