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nortype 07-05-2009 21:09

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title say's it all. today she said what every right thinking english man or woman is thinking why the wait what's the problem we think they they should come and be made very welcome has this government some problem with this. the wish of the people ?

Royboy39 07-05-2009 21:13

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Originally Posted by nortype (Post 711744)
title say's it all. today she said what every right thinking english man or woman is thinking why the wait what's the problem we think they they should come and be made very welcome has this government some problem with this. the wish of the people ?

Do you have a problem with that?

cherokee 07-05-2009 21:15

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Go JL .. behind her 100% Its damn disgusting what this government are doing and high time someone stood up to them for the way they have treated the Ghurkas.

cashman 07-05-2009 21:18

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Originally Posted by nortype (Post 711744)
title say's it all. today she said what every right thinking english man or woman is thinking why the wait what's the problem we think they they should come and be made very welcome has this government some problem with this. the wish of the people ?

well i wish it, do you?

Wynonie Harris 07-05-2009 21:20

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So, why don't the government just do the decent thing and follow the principle "if you're prepared to die for this country, then you can live here."? It's simple enough, isn't it?

nortype 07-05-2009 21:30

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royboy39 my bigest problem is with some-one who cannot go with the feeling's of the british people.

nortype 07-05-2009 21:34

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cashman yes I do

Royboy39 07-05-2009 21:35

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Originally Posted by nortype (Post 711758)
royboy39 my bigest problem is with some-one who cannot go with the feeling's of the british people.

I'ts called power in the wrong hands or vote catching from the ones who really do not matter. :)

cashman 07-05-2009 21:38

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Originally Posted by nortype (Post 711764)
cashman yes I do

good as ya questioned the wish of the people i was not sure.:)

Royboy39 07-05-2009 22:00

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 711766)
good as ya questioned the wish of the people i was not sure.:)

I would think that, since wwII above one million, if not more soldiers have served with and alongside these lads who are dedicated and brave soldiers of the crown.
Let them in is my take and chuck the useless benefit claimers out.

Boeing Guy 08-05-2009 07:24

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Could not agree more, this government has broken the covenant they had with our armed forces, forcing the public to start Help for Heroes. The Gurkha's are in the same boat. They should be allowed to stay in this country they have proved themselves.

I was fortunate to meet Rifleman Tul Bahadur Pun a few years ago at a Pilot's dinner party.

His history is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tul_Bahadur_Pun

Says it all in my opinion

cashman 08-05-2009 07:30

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Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 711815)
Could not agree more, this government has broken the covenant they had with our armed forces, forcing the public to start Help for Heroes. The Gurkha's are in the same boat. They should be allowed to stay in this country they have proved themselves.

I was fortunate to meet Rifleman Tul Bahadur Pun a few years ago at a Pilot's dinner party.

His history is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tul_Bahadur_Pun

Says it all in my opinion

ta fer that link boeing guy, mr puns a top geezer, :)

Boeing Guy 08-05-2009 08:56

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Cashy he most certainly is, there were a few humbled people in that room that evening, myself included. It was a honour.

jaysay 08-05-2009 09:08

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Just can't get my head round this, why can't this government save face hold their hands up and say okay we got it wrong, instead of keep shooting themselves in the foot:confused::confused:

cashman 08-05-2009 11:36

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 711847)
Just can't get my head round this, why can't this government save face hold their hands up and say okay we got it wrong, instead of keep shooting themselves in the foot:confused::confused:

i agree they should, just same as the tories should hold their hands up n say we never even considered this, all the years we were in power, no party should escape criticism who has been in power in my lifetime. the snipers always omit to say this.:rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 08-05-2009 12:53

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One of the most satisfying sights of this week was to see Joanna Lumley outwitting the hapless Phil Woolas. One helluva a lady! What a contrast to the likes of Harriet Harman and Jacqui Smith (and Caroline Spelman for the sake of political balance! ;) )

jaysay 08-05-2009 16:38

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 711916)
i agree they should, just same as the tories should hold their hands up n say we never even considered this, all the years we were in power, no party should escape criticism who has been in power in my lifetime. the snipers always omit to say this.:rolleyes:

No government in my recollection has ever been put to task over this issue like his one cashy, the trouble with this present shower is they've forgot that old saying, when your in a hole stop bloody digging:rolleyes: this lot are halfway to Australia and the muck is still flying over their shoulders:rolleyes:

jaysay 08-05-2009 16:40

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 711931)
One of the most satisfying sights of this week was to see Joanna Lumley outwitting the hapless Phil Woolas. One helluva a lady! What a contrast to the likes of Harriet Harman and Jacqui Smith (and Caroline Spelman for the sake of political balance! ;) )

Ho give her more credit than that Wynonie its not that hard to outwit an halfwit

Wynonie Harris 08-05-2009 20:11

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Ho give her more credit than that Wynonie its not that hard to outwit an halfwit

No, it isn't, Jaysay, and because of this particular PM's insecurities, he has surrounded himself with mediocre yes men (and women) to the detriment of the country. However, it was good to see one of these nonentities ambushed by Joanna Lumley, without the benefit of spin doctors and a carefully prepared prebriefing session! :D

Royboy39 08-05-2009 20:33

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 711916)
i agree they should, just same as the tories should hold their hands up n say we never even considered this, all the years we were in power, no party should escape criticism who has been in power in my lifetime. the snipers always omit to say this.:rolleyes:

The media are to be complemented for bringing this to headline status.
Internet is also to be complemted for the views that are expressed on this subject..........In 1997 the subject was published at the whim of the moguls in Fleet Street.....Now thankfully, right thinking people have the wherewithall to discuss the subject with the world.
No matter what went on in the past, this is on todays agenda.

jaysay 09-05-2009 09:15

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 712077)
No, it isn't, Jaysay, and because of this particular PM's insecurities, he has surrounded himself with mediocre yes men (and women) to the detriment of the country. However, it was good to see one of these nonentities ambushed by Joanna Lumley, without the benefit of spin doctors and a carefully prepared prebriefing session! :D

Well ya you have a point, they're nout without smoke and mirrors, thats all politicians:rolleyes:

planetsusie 09-05-2009 11:07

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This woman rokks!

Tealeaf 09-05-2009 11:24

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Originally Posted by planetsusie (Post 712218)
This woman rokks!

Maybe she does.....but if she succeeds in her aims, the end result will be the end of Gurkha service with the British Army.

cashman 09-05-2009 11:28

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 712233)
Maybe she does.....but if she succeeds in her aims, the end result will be the end of Gurkha service with the British Army.

think i see what yer getting at T. but if thats what it takes.:)

Tealeaf 09-05-2009 11:32

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 712234)
think i see what yer getting at T. but if thats what it takes.:)

Takes to do what? I don't understand.

cashman 09-05-2009 11:38

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 712239)
Takes to do what? I don't understand.

if thats what it takes so gurkhas who have served us are admitted into britain.then so be it.IMHO.:)

Tealeaf 09-05-2009 11:47

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But most Gurkhas knew when they signed on that there was no end-of-service right of abode in the UK. Why is this now being changed retrospectively?

cashman 09-05-2009 12:05

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 712245)
But most Gurkhas knew when they signed on that there was no end-of-service right of abode in the UK. Why is this now being changed retrospectively?

well i look at it this way i see all the deadbeats n scum that are admitted who don't even like the british, just the benefits of coming here, n think well these guys fought n many died fer us,i see the conditions in their homeland n reckon they deserve our aid. that is my personal thinking on this matter.

Tealeaf 09-05-2009 12:12

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 712252)
well i look at it this way i see all the deadbeats n scum that are admitted who don't even like the british, just the benefits of coming here, n think well these guys fought n many died fer us,i see the conditions in their homeland n reckon they deserve our aid. that is my personal thinking on this matter.

But if we are to change the law to allow in the pre '97 Gurkhas - however honourable the sentiment in doing so - then how long will it be before another group - and this time not so deserving - turn up and start shouting to be let in? You know that, like the Gurkhas it will go to court and you know what the lawyers and judges are like..they will quote precedent of the Gurkhas and before we know it..another lot come flooding in.

cashman 09-05-2009 12:23

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can't dispute that T, that to me is a different argument though, also one of the reasons i despise the political ******* in our country.

Tealeaf 09-05-2009 12:32

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 712258)
can't dispute that T, that to me is a different argument though, also one of the reasons i despise the political ******* in our country.

It may be a different argument, but once we change one law like this then a second law invariably applies. That is the law of unintended consequences. While it can be easily construed that we do have a moral obligation to the Gurkhas, we also - as you quite correctly say - have a country governed by political ******* -and you will find that they will be incapable of controlling any consequential actions by others.

jaysay 09-05-2009 14:17

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 712255)
But if we are to change the law to allow in the pre '97 Gurkhas - however honourable the sentiment in doing so - then how long will it be before another group - and this time not so deserving - turn up and start shouting to be let in? You know that, like the Gurkhas it will go to court and you know what the lawyers and judges are like..they will quote precedent of the Gurkhas and before we know it..another lot come flooding in.

We already have another lot coming in all the time Tealeaf, there's about a Million of um as a conservative estimate, because nobody has a clue who they are or where they are, they're called illegal immigrants:rolleyes:

accyman 09-05-2009 17:34

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how dare these gurkahs ask to live in our country , dont they know we only allow people in who despise our way of life and insist we change our laws and beliefs to suit theirs

we have no room for people who dare fight along side our country

the bloomin neve some folk have eh:rolleyes:

Royboy39 09-05-2009 18:17

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Sorry to say.....One of these lads was killed in Afghanistan yesterday....RIP Cpl.
Thankyou.

shakermaker 09-05-2009 18:20

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 712284)
as a conservative estimate

You never give it a rest, do you?! :rolleyes::D

Royboy39 09-05-2009 18:32

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 712367)
You never give it a rest, do you?! :rolleyes::D

Who gives a toss apart from you? :);)

shakermaker 09-05-2009 18:35

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Humour bypass much!?

Royboy39 09-05-2009 18:38

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 712375)
Humour bypass much!?

Just read the post above yours in reply to Jaysay.....not much humour there.

shakermaker 09-05-2009 18:39

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I didn't say there was.

Royboy39 09-05-2009 19:48

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Here is a list and tribute to the ones who fell on active service yesterday.

BBC NEWS | UK | MoD names fallen Helmand soldiers

Wynonie Harris 09-05-2009 22:03

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As far as I'm concerned, it boils down to one thing - these guys were prepared to lay their lives on the line for this country, so if they want to live here, they should be able to. As for future consequences, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

jaysay 10-05-2009 10:05

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Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 712367)
You never give it a rest, do you?! :rolleyes::D

Conservative with a small "C" is a lot different than Call Me Dave's Blue Army shaker:D:D:D


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