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Right, you lot - in two weeks time Hyndburn shall elect someone to represent the constituency in the Palace of Shame. Last time Pope walked it with a majority of 5000+; this time, there has been a few minor boundary changes and the Tories are looking for a swing of 6.9% to Ms Buckley. Not impossible, given the recent opinion ploo surge for the Lib-Dem mob...we don't really know how that will play out in terms of the impact on the two main parties.

So - irrespective of your own allegiance - who do you think will win, and by how many. (Final votes after any recount).

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Reckon Jonsey'll get in, but it'll be close, as most people hate this government so much. Also think Kazzer'll give him a fair run for his money. The Clegg factor'll mean nowt, once people look beyond the fresh, boyish charm and see policies like joining the Euro and amnesties for illegals who've been here over 10 years.

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I think Graham will probably win it. He'd have to do something catastrophic to lose the majority that Greg had. But, I think the Gordon Brown factor will reduce his majority somewhat.

I do think it would have created a different situation if a more local Conservative candidate had put their name in as the campaign would have been much stronger.

But, perhaps I'm jumping the gun, there are still two weeks to go.

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Gordon Bennett, Ken! You don't have much confidence in your buddy, do you? :D

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think graham will/should win here, reduced majority is out of his control, down to the ******* on high.

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If Britcliffe was on here, he'd probably vote for Jones with a !0,000+ majority.

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my honest thoughts are take Ken Hargreaves n Greg Pope, political opposites, both in my opinion were good M.P.s reason- they cared about local issues n people, which both demonstrated numerous times, Graham Jones is the same mould, think about it! can anyone honestly say that about the "Invisible Buckley"?

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My choice isn't listed,
I'm voting for the Icelandic national party, they've done more for immigration in the last 5 days than Labour have done in 10 years!

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ya will slit yer throat yer that sharp.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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You got the same text as me.:D:D

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Graham Jones will just about scrape it. He must know I'm not voting for him, his leaflet arrived today, addressed to the wife.

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I'm afraid "doesn't give a toss" isn't listed;)

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Ah but what about the locals?:D

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I've already stated I will not vote for Karen Buckley:D

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not many tory lovers around here...

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Who ever wins you are screwed. You should vote for none of the above

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My Guess is that Graham will get in with a reduced majority...he's by far the best candidate for Hyndburn people....i think the local factor will count for an awful lot here!


Best Regards - Taggy

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My sentiments, exactly.

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its actually illegal to have a party name - none of the above.

its not permitted by election law or something

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think the Candidate with the most postal votes will win at a re-count :eek:

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Who will win the Hyndburn constituency seat?
Labour: 40%
Conservatives: 26%
Liberal Democrats: 9%
Other: 25%


Hyndburn

A recent poll of voting intent from the Citizen.

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I would like to think that Graham will win the seat simply because he is the best candidate - Accrington born and bred, knows what is best for the area and isn't in the pocket of any senior Hyndburn politician. Nothing personal against Ms Buckley, but every borough should have a local MP and not someone drafted in from 40 miles away.

If the Tories couldn't find anyone that CCO approved of from within their own ranks, despite being an 'excellent council' as we're told so often, then they don't deserve that seat.

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Mill Hill, actually, Ken, but I agree with your sentiments. :)

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I meant Hyndburn actually, but the thinking engine has only had one cup of Earl Grey this morning and is still a bit sluggish....

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It says he 'was born in Accrington (registered in Haslingden)' on his lastest pamphlet.

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So you reckon Mill Hill's in Hyndburn? Oh dear, oh dear, Kenneth, I reckon another cup of char is called for! ;)

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Well, he certainly wasn't bred in Accrington, because he's said on here that he was a Mill Hill lad.

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Slightly off-topic but I got the local Conservative equivalent of my own flyer through my door last night. There's a beautiful picture of my opponent hugging a grit bin and stating how it was Labour's fault there was no grit in January.

The leaflet is also full of barefaced exaggerations about what they have acheived in Rishton, such as cleaning up the area (no they haven't), improved CCTV (no they haven't), frozen my tax bill (I'm still paying more than I was) and put more police on the beat (no they haven't).

How are the other wards faring?

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You've caught me off-guard, it's those pesky Tories, local issues, you know how it is.

The kettle's on.......

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Bloomin' heck Wyn, I haven't had my first coffee of the day yet.:rolleyes:

The pamphlet, received yesterday, goes on to say, ' I have lived here all my life. Generations of my family have lived here. This is my home. I was brought up in Baxenden, and attended St. John''s School Baxenden, St. Christopher's Cof E, Accrington & Rossendale College....'

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http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...nts-22320.html

Sorted.

:D

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Yep, I just found that too, which prompts me to offer my humble apologies to yourself, Ken and of course, Graham. I think maybe I'll go and have a brew now! :o

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Graham was definitely born in Accrington (and he was registered in Haslingden). He has lived in Hyndburn all his life as have his mother's family. I think the confusion about Mill Hill, is that he has posted that his grandparents on his father's side were from Mill Hill. I do know that in later life his grandmother Jones lived in the Sparth Road area of Clayton.

Hope this clears u any confusion (and I haven't had any tea or coffee yet - just been busy inputting canvas returns).

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I thought your 'smear' was about to uncover the biggest political scandal since Sillycowgate.

:D

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I still stand by my assertion that Councillor Britcliffe isn't a gobbiner, though! :D

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Brought up in Ossy moved with his parents to selling out shop in Willows Lane, then moved back to Ossy, Green Street to be precise, and on the Mill Hill issue, is that Mill Hill London;)

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He might have lived his very, very early years in Ossy, but he was brought up in Willows Lane, from the age of 4/5. I know...I was there! :D

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Where was he born though?

Where was that stable, and guiding star, situated?

:rolleyes:

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Which one are you on about;)

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Is there more than one, who inspires your humble adoration?

http://kiddleylinks.com/wp-content/u...ivity_haba.jpg

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While walking down the street one day a "Member of Parliament" is tragically hit by a truck and dies.

His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Peter.. 'Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you.'

'No problem, just let me in,' says the man.

'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.'

'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,’ says the MP.

'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.'

And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne.

Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly & nice guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.

Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises....

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him.

'Now it's time to visit heaven.'

So, 24 hours pass with the MP joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

'Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.'

The MP reflects for a minute, then he answers: 'Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.'

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell.

Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage.

He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. 'I don't understand,' stammers the MP. 'Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.




What happened?'

The devil looks at him, smiles and says, 'Yesterday we were campaigning... ...


Today you voted.'

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Ah, I have gone with the majority. Interesting.

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Yer back then...have a nice trip?

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Are you talking to me? I'm still in Shanghai until the 3rd May. Can't get an earlier flight than that because of the backlog of passengers. I'm ok though.

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:D Robert DeNiro..Taxi Drver. ;)

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Hello...this is news...I see Graham is expecting a fall in the Labour majority. What's he know that the rest of us don't (other than Labour Party private polls)?

Anyway, still no sign of Buckley on here....I wonder if her Tory 'mates' have decided to keep this website a secret from her?

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No secret.

She joined the day the imposed candidate list was annouced.

Read the thread about the Conservative's selection, and then disappeared.

:rolleyes:

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I think you have to expect a fall in Labours vote. Let's live in the real world.

Michael Howard for start was a disaster. Tony Blair could charm the birds out of the trees.

Then we have the last 5 years where we have had tough times.

On my family. My mothers side is made up of my grandads side family pure accringtonians, accy pals et al. He is who I admire so much and gave me good advice.

He married my gran from a Salford Tory family and my gran ran La Mode on abbey St. They lived on Tremellan St before moving to Baxenden near my great grandfather. My grandads dad was a livery driver at Accrington Station and got a council flat in Baxenden following slum clearance on grange St. A street where a lot of Pals came from. I had my tea there every tuesday after school on Ashworth street.

On my dads side my gran and grandad were poor from Mill Hill. They split in 47 and my gran lived in Whalley as a housemaid with two young sons and then Clayton le Moors for about 20 years. she had no sisters. I went there on Mondays after school. A lot of distant family that don't know me live in Blakburn still.

My grandad lived at Brownhill in the end though we never met until I turned up one day. He was crippled. It hurt him too much and he asked me not to return so I didn't. My Grans grandfather I vaguely remember in a Blackburn old folks home.

So to me my family is my mothers side who all lived here and my gran who lived down clayton. 4 generations who all lived in Baxenden.

Is that too much info?

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Just been listening again to that Buffoon Cameron's Election Broadcast...he wants us all to have a say in everything...to choose or sack our own MP's for instance!!...No point even going any further on this is there...because he's already fallen down at that point....we all know how "open" the selection of prospective candidates of his own party was dont we!!...So what chance the rest of us oiks..if he gets in....this fella is a budding dictator!....We know how the rest of his decision making will work dont we!!

Because of how Politicians have behaved over recent times, i was considering a no vote or a protest vote. That might have made a small point, or made me feel better for a while, but the two major objectives i have in voting now are really to get the best MP for Hyndburn, and to hopefully help stop Cameron getting anywhere near No 10....so i've decided now that Graham is getting my vote!


Best Regards - Taggy

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Being able to sack your own MP would be an attractive proposal to some dimwits.. but how will voters be able to go about it?..would it be by petition?,local demonstrations or outright riots?.. does Cameron mean the local party members for the MP can sack him/her? lots of questions, but maybe the local Tories on here can explain. :)

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mancie don't think the locals even believe him.........as they had a candidate forced on em, n never got the one they wanted, says to me CAMERON speaks with FORKED TONGUE.:D

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i would like to know how it would work as well .. especially if you have a local mp .. someone who knows the area and the people .. and if someone has a grudge against the mp ..

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I agree Cashy...the Indians said the same thing about General Custer.. and look what happened to him! :D

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I wasn't particularly interested in your family tree, Graham. There is some evidence that the Labour vote is holding up far more in the north than elsewhere in the country - probably because wavering labour voters see Cameron as a Tory toff who has absolutely nowt in common with them. Of course, Clegg is not that much different but that truth does not appear to have yet got through.

I simply wondered what, if any, soundings and pollings at the constituency level had revealed. I know that in the past these were done by all parties and kept private but in the climate of Freedom of Information it would be interesting to know what they are saying so far.

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Alright! Alright! You're a born and bred Accy lad. I'll never say you come from Mill Hill again.

Gordon Bennett! Politicos! They don't 'alf go on! ;)

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There's a nice photograph of Graham Jones out campaigning with Accrington Stanley saviour, Ilyas Khan, and a ringing endorsement for the local lad, on Graham's latest flyer.

It makes Karen 'Kazzer' Buckley's one mealy snap, taken outside Stanley's locked stadium, look a bit pathetic.

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Could be worth quite a few votes...a very "Khanny" move by Graham! ;)

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Blimey..next thing next thing will be Graham canvassing on the street with the full support of the Stanley Ultras, 50 ft flags waving, drums banging....that would liven up the proceedings.

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There doesn't look to be any coercion.

Ilyas is pictured out on the knock with Graham.

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Ilyas has been out canvassing and will becoming out again knocking on doors.

Most people are saying they are undecided more so than usual. Some people are switching form Labour to Tory (or somebody else). The odd one is switching form Tory to Labour because 'Cameron's weak/shallow'.

Then there's a local vote which seems sizeable, a stay at home Labour vote, a very small stay at home Conservative vote. An angry anti-Labour vote coming the other way. The anti-Gordon Brown vote.

The Rev Kev vote in the suburbs. The two independent votes in Great Harwood. The Haslingden vote for homer UKIP.

In other words anything can happen but the guy at the barbers said I might just sneak it.

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well barbers do know.:D;)

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There's an article in the Telegrapgh about it. Do you think somebody should tell Akki of Accy ( comments section ) who the conservative candidate is :D

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Graham was at a British Legion PPC event this afternoon and came out on top by all accounts.

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Who told you that Ken, Graham;)

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I think it'll be very close and will be an interesting election. With 9 candidates and the recent Lib-dem surge it could be all to play for!

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If Jones doesn't win he should take up Tiddlywinks;)

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Ouch!

More amusing was two members of the Tory club in Rishton asking for 'Vote Ken Moss' signs to be erected in their front gardens last night.....

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Today my daughter has been lecturing me on the reasons to vote....and telling me that voting with a hat pin is not good enough, neither, she tells me, is voting for all the candidates on the paper.

I am just so very disillusioned with politicians, the parties(all of them) and their total disregard for the populace when we were all going through a bad time(but, not them...they were living high on the hog and hoping that we would never find out).

They promise us anything to get into parliament......and they take us for mugs because we believed them.

We are in an unholy mess, and there isn't one of them who i would trust to pour gravy, never mind get us out of the mire.
So Hatpin it is then!

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Oh, yes...and she thinks she might convert me by polling day with a drip, drip drip of information...wearing down the stone.
Good luck Nicola :)

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I'm thinking of going to the pub and getting ratted before I go to vote. That way I won't remember who I voted for, so if my chosen party do get in, I won't feel guilty when they make the inevitable hash of things.

Same principle as you, Margaret, just a different means of achieving it. ;)

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Oh No......! your way is a heap better than mine.
I don't think I am going to survive to vote......these party political broadcasts will do my head in......I might just try and paper cut myself to death.

The TV is in serious danger of getting something hard and heavy flung at it before the campaign is over.
Wonder if the insurance will cover it?

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Well, it's quite an enjoyable way to vote, I reckon...however, Mrs H may yet put a veto on it! :eek:

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They've probably read your posts on Accyweb and think you're a Tory! ;)

I am a person of principle john like you. I don't see much future for me if I lose. A narrow defeat, a new leader and a short hung parliament it would be sensible to try again if accepted.

All other scenarios leave me writing my book on The Clash and backpacking the world in stages in a few years. My politics will be Baxenden, Peel and Barnfield.

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Funny enough that wasn't meant to be an insult Graham, I can honestly see only one winner, baring an utter disaster by Labour between now and next Thursday, even the Lib/dem is an out-of-towner, and as I've said before you've no need to bother about my vote against, that's one thing we do have in common, principals

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Just received a letter from Graham Jones, stateing, I or one of my team called on you recently and that i informed them that i hadnt decided who to vote for at the forth coming general election. No one has ever called at my home from any party.Must admit the letter is informative and i do feel Grahams a good candidate for Hyndburn. Its just a great pity he on the wrong side or i would vote for him.For me the choice is clear and Britain can never recover under a Labour Government.

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and there i was thinking you should vote for who you think will do the best job .. rather than party ...:D

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I have to consider the bigger picture.

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No doubt that people think Graham is a nice guy and members in his ward seem to like him. Voting for him at the general election however helps Brown stay in office for another 5 years. So yeah, he's on the wrong side, 'cause it'll help elect a Labour government who I certainly don't feel are the answer to the problems they've created.

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Brown on the election debates is forever stateing we will do this that and the other how come in the years they have been in office none of what they say has been done already,they have had time to make Britain a great country and have FAILED, FAILED, over and over again.

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Jen I think you are right in that assumption when you are dealing with local politics....but I think when it is a general election, then you have to go with the party who you think will do the best for the country.
That is a really hard task...because in my views none of them are fit to oversee a jumble sale.

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Couldn't agree more. So do you spoil your paper or make a protest by voting for the Raving Reverend or BNP perhaps? The main parties certainly need a kick up the behind one way or another.

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but who is he representing in parliament .. us .. as in our interests .. so what would you rather have .. a local person .. who knows the area, who lives in the area, knows what kind of problems there is locally .. or someone who has been parachuted in from outside the area ..

can i just say as well .. if the labour candidate had been from outside the area .. for the first time i would have voted elsewhere ..

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I have told my daughter that I will be putting a cross next to every name on the paper.........and she is absolutely horrified.
Over the next however many days it is to the election, she is going to try to show me the error of my ways.
I don't hold out much hope for her chances of success.
I am of the opinion that this shower of Shwante, need to be shown that the voters are well and truly hacked off with their antics...and the fact that they think we can all be treated as imbeciles.
They should be shot at dawn with pig-muck.

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Yes, Jen...I would rather have a local person...but......the local person is standing for the party who have made(pardon my french) a right ar$e of things......so that is a no go for me.
I cannot, in all conscience, vote in a crowd that have made such a royal mess of things.
politicians who have had little regard for the people who expected them to do better...not just for us, but for the country.
So I am probably going to ditch the hat-pin after all that and vote for 'em all!

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I would rather have a local person too, it makes sense. However as you say you cannot vote a crowd in that have made such a mess of everything, voting for them all is not being able to demonstrate how you feel and be able use your vote against these people who have made such a mess of things. We need to stand together to get this government out once and for all.

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Thats precisely the reason i have today (postal vote) voted for Graham. I was seriously considering a no vote or protest vote. However because i feel Graham is far and away the best candidate for Hyndburn, i've stuck with Labour, when otherwise i probably wouldn't have.

Also i decided a no vote or protest vote would probably play into the tory's hands in this instance, and i simply cannot stomach Cameron and Osborne, and feel they will prove a disaster if they get in,and so this also influenced my decision to vote for Graham.

I've also voted again for Bernard Dawson in the local, as i feel he's also done a decent job over many years!

Best Regards - Taggy

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In other words, vote Conservative. Look beyond the figurehead and towards the crewmembers working the rigging:

Labour's ship is an trusty old boat which is maybe not coasting through the water at full speed but is certainly getting there as a team with a competent captain.

The Liberals have a shiny new ship full of promise but which is struggling to pull out of the harbour.

The Conservatives simply have David Cameron in the crow's nest screaming 'Danger!' at every opportunity.

That is at a national level and only really looking at what happens in Westminster. Vote for home grown talent if it is the best for your area, regardless of what colour rosette is pinned to the lapel.

Graham Jones is by far the best man for Hyndburn and deep down you know it.

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I could agree with you however that is a vote towards keeping Gordon in.I have to make my decision on this principle. I really like Nick Glegg and many people in the NHS are supporting him however feel that this would be a vote towards a hung parliament which i consider would be a disaster. I have spoken to many people over the previous weeks all votes appear to be either Lib Dem or Conservative not spoken to anyone considering voting Labour only people on this forum as it is also evident from the voting poll on here. Would like to here views from people who are voting Labour as to why i cant comprehend it.

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Figureheads can be replaced, also Captains if they are deemed unfit to command their vessel. A crew sails a Ship.

Trusty old Boat called Titanic, we know how that ends.

New ship, Sea trials & adjustments made to improve vessels performance & capability.

Take heed of the look out, he can see far more clearly than the Captain at the helm.

I really enjoy sailing !! :D

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Margaret i bet you wish you lived in this constituency ... :D:D:D

BBC News - Basildon boxer to fight election as 'None Of The Above'

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So there is a local standing which is what seems to be a good idea in your view because he is the wrong colour your vote becomes a protest vote. What is at stake here IS what Graham can do for Hyndburn not what he can do for the Fifer.


So if Graham was an independent candidate would you have voted for him?

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Are you suggesting that the quality of a candidate is irrelevant:confused: So, if I sent over my 22 year-old cat to run for the tory party, she would get your vote? Has British democracy has come down to this: that whoever you vote for doesn't matter; what does matter is who you vote against? It is also clear that in the case of the Labour candidate, you are content to damn him with faint praise because you can't find a solid enough reason for criticism.

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The person matters, and the party matters. There are lots of factors. Being local is a factor. For some people being local is the number one factor. Quality of candidate and policies is what matters most to me and rates higher.

I pointed out that although some may see Graham as a nice local chap, a vote for him is a vote to keep Gordon Brown in power and a vote for that policy agenda. I don't trust the people that created many of the problems to fix them.

There is plenty of critique I could direct at Graham and the Labour Party Eric.

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It would depend on whether he was going to support Gordon Brown and his policies.

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I doubt this is true. Leaders come and go.

If Labour get 260 seats for instance, Brown in all likelihood will have to resign. The Labour Party will still have 260 seats but a new leader and won't be in Government.

I would not be propping up Gordon Brown for 5 more years under most circumstances. Personally, I like Ben Bradshaw.

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Is there any proposed leader for the Labour Party if they do win other than Gordon Brown? Surely the best way to win voters confidence back would be to name a new leader/elect and let the voters judge from there. As far as I can see Gordon Brown is hardly top of the pops with voters, so maybe electing a leader voted in by the public might be a starting point??? But there again why bother asking the genersal public for their views if you are going to disregard them? It seems to me that the two major parties in their arrogance think they are unbeatable, only time will tell but the arrogance of both parties will one day back fire on them. Personally I've got to say that there is not one party that inspires me to vote for them as none of them will respond with honesty on major issues!!!

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There's something wrong about it being a referendum on Gordon Brown as it is representative democracy, not a presidency. It's about political parties and not leaders. I do accept if Labour wins (unlikely given polls) then it's 5 more years of Gordon. If he loses then there is a decision to take by him and others as to whether he carries on. That makes it a referendum on Brown but it equally applies to Clegg and Cameron too.

The likely outcome is either 'sword and fall' or 'pushed' if Gordon cannot convince people. However Hyndburn is not a Gordon referendum seat. Labour could easily win another 60 seats above Hyndburn and Gordon lose the election. In fact I think if Labour lose just 25 seats our majority is lost. Hyndburn is target seat 132 for Tories.

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He is there to support and represent Hyndburn, not whoever is in the hot seat.

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Try Rishton for starters, or Peel if you want a really one-sided Labour viewpoint.

Your whole argument points towards not voting for a good candidate because of the party leader. I would have thought anyone with a bit of reasoning would vote for the best man for the job.

Still, like I've said before, this election has now turned into Government's Got Talent and the politics are being removed in favour of personalities. The TV debates have shown your party as desperate scrabblers, particularly all this 'Hung Parliament Party' nonsense.