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Anne-- Well its just an opinion, but I thought your post was not pointless just flawed. Flawed because you throw cannabis in with a statement that could be about hard drugs. Without details there is no way to know-- I guess you work in a hospital or doctors? or some other job where info is confidential? you might of said before but I don't remember. That is fair if you cannot go into details. I am just interested. If this subject is gonna keep popping up here, its better imho to keep it factual and serious.
I am pretty serious about this subject because I have seen first hand the damage hard drugs can do. I can't stand to see them now. The latest thing is those 'legal highs' that are extremely dangerous. 'Bubble' that was made illegal earlier this year(debatable whether or not it has made the slightest difference) is very bad. It is plant fertilizer. Other legal highs as they are obnoxiously named are things like bath salts and other chemicals. There is a good documentary about it I find it quite disturbing with all the deaths I have heard of recently in relation to 'bubble' I would predict that this drug will end up claiming more lives than ecstasy has. Cannabis wrecks lives in the same way alcohol and gambling does but not the same way as hard drugs do. Sometimes this sounds and feels like a rant but I think there is not enough awareness about drugs. Condemnation is not awareness. Luckily I have not lost a friend to drugs, though I lost a friend(though we were not that close) recently due to a stomach ulcer bursting. He did nothing but drink alcohol and perhaps cannabis sometimes. He was 35 years old. Perhaps if he didn't drink at all he would still be alive. Quote:
Condemnation is not awareness. Perhaps with a bit of teaching this wouldn't happen. What drugs was this? I never understood how people could be so stupid to do stuff like heroin etc. Its a lack of knowledge/awareness for these kids, and they start taking drugs when they are young and some of them just don't know the difference, but then again some simply do no care. It is a sad thing |
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Can we give up on this subject? this comment feels to me like another attempt of bumping the thread (or more so to bring anne's attention to my post)
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so because some childrens TV presenters in the dim and distant past did it...it's Ok?
Did you read the other article during the week where a young woman( who had been a long term user of cannabis) committed suicide? Still, perhaps you do not consider her death to be attributable to the cannabis...or the fact that her mental health had been affected by this substance. I'm sure her family would find your comments very enlightening. |
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I can't remember...I read it online. I read a good variety of newspapers online....and now I can't remember where I read it.
My point wasn't anything to do with the strength of the stuff...it was, that because someone else(famous/celebrity) is doing something that is daft, and possibly dangerous and damaging to health doesn't make it the right thing to do for the rest of us. |
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You cant hold a discussion if one side of the discussion will not entertain the possibility of the other side having a point, all you have are rantings.
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Personally, I haven't been one for doing something because it is what everybody else is doing. I have my own mind, my own ideas.......I do not need others to influence me. I do not want to be 'like' someone else. |
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They haven't proven yet that cannabis is linked to mental illness. But it is something they are theorizing and suggesting all the time.
Going back onto awareness. I read(and also was told) that some cannabis resin (aka soapbar) actually has Largactil added to it. Margaret, if this is true you can only imagine the damage it could cause to the mind |
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List of chemicals and stuff that have been found inside ''soapbar''
beeswax, boot polish, animal turds, turpentine, henna, ground coffee, milk powder, pine resin, barbiturates, ketamine, aspirin, glues & dyes, Carcinogenic solvents such as Toluene and Benzene and many other unidentified and possibly DEADLY chemicals. |
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:D hehe
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Does that make it ok?
I can only go from my own experiences and as far as I'm concerned cannabis and other illegal drugs including mephedrone - or bubble - do far more harm than good. I can't really say anything else about it, there really isn't much to advocate for legalising illegal substances in my opinion. If anyone can evidence that drug use is beneficial to either individuals or to society, I'd like to hear it. |
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Does that make it ok? I can only go from my own experiences and as far as I'm concerned cannabis and other illegal drugs including mephedrone - or bubble - do far more harm than good. I can't really say anything else about it, there really isn't much to advocate for legalising illegal substances in my opinion. If anyone can evidence that drug use is beneficial to either individuals or to society, I'd like to hear it. |
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Don't worry Anne, you and I can stand in the dock together accused of asking that question....I asked it in post 207.:)
I don't quite understand the mentality of people who want to do something because someone/everybody else is doing it.......as Ma used to say 'If they jumped in the fire - would you do it too?' A very juvenile bit of reasoning. |
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Here'e a few Canucks who would probably vote "yes" in this poll if they knew about it:;)
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it may have been metioned already but amsterdam has tightened up use of canabis so non nationals will no longer be able to smoke canabis legaly in amsterdam.If they are toughening up i cant see our government relaxing on the issue.
another thing about this is that by banning other EU members and still allowing home nationals to smoke it legaly it would seem amsterdam /netherlands are breaking EU rules so yet another country sticking their fingers up at the EU while the UK follows the laws to the letter. Meanwhile on the other side of the globe canada are relaxing laws and making it a prescription drug like some do in america. |
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Perhaps all drug use should be made illegal. Including coffee, tobacco and alcohol
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It's been suggested both in this and the other never ending drug story. :o |
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As for legalising drugs all i can see is that teh war on drugs has been fought since before i was born and is showing no signs of been won so although i dont advocate surrender something needs doing to remove the criminal and terrorist element of drug suppliers.If it isnt proffitable for them they wont do it so maybe a government program of some sort that will cause it to be not so desireable or finacially beneficial needs to be addressed. govenment has made smokers ot to be scum of society it shoudlnt be too hard |
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Yeah. There was a joke in there somewhere :)
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Canada court ruling would allow legal brothels | Top News | Reuters |
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And here's another potential use for medical marijuana:
Smoking pot may help relieve MS pain - Health - CBC News |
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I have been retired now for 10 years, and medical trials were being done a good while before I left the NHS. |
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I didn't retire particularly young....anyway, which patient wants to have an arthritic old bird trying to run to their assistance with the 'crash' trolley.(not that I was arthritic)
I retired at 55 Eric. There were so many meddlesome government targets that meant nothing to the care of patients.......made the lives of nurses more difficult.......so I had paid into my pension and decided to get, while the going was good.(it was a good decision, and I'm glad I'm out of it) I had had a long and very satisfying career...looked after many women...and later their daughters too...taught lots of student nurses....in general felt I had done my bit |
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I was 'spent'.........I loved the caring, but was fed up of fighting the bureaucracy of it all.........all I ever wanted was to make a difference to the lives of the patients I looked after. They tell me that there are still people who ask 'what happened to Sister P?'....and I passed on my skills to the students I taught...I hope I passed on my values too. After seeing Ma in hospital after her stroke, I know things have not got easier for the nurses....there seemed to be fewer staff, but just as much to do. I think I did my nursing at just the right time...and got out at the right time too. I'm pretty sure that Lettie would confirm what I am saying. |
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John, I have never wanted a fortune......just enough to make ends meet and the bit extra for the bow.
Being motivated by money is probably one of the biggest problems in the world today. If I could bottle it and give to every potential carer, then those who need looking after would be the ones to feel the benefit. I do hope that doesn't sound trite or conceited - it isn't meant to. |
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How good that George is going to be back with you soon...and that he is back to health once more...I was only thinking about him recently and wondering how he was getting on. Good news indeed, John...for you both.
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If you get a good carer you need to keep hold of them if you can. A good carer is worth their weight in gold .My mum is lucky she has two good carers who call in twice a day every day.
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One for the legalise cannabis camp to ponder. From the 'LancashireTelegraph':
East Lancashire holidaymaker killed on Spanish motorway (From Lancashire Telegraph) An excerpt from the article: Mr Laurie became ‘a little paranoid and erratic’, especially after he had smoked cannabis. |
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A short time later, with Miss Whittaker driving, they were on a motorway on the outskirts of Barcelona when they stopped in the outside lane due to traffic congestion. She said Mr Laurie shouted ‘this is it’, before getting out of the car and climbing over the central reservation into the opposite carriageway. |
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Comments are interesting reading too, on the LT website.
Apparently cannabis is no more harmful than using a broth posy, or putting mint sauce on a lamb chop. You live and learn. :rolleyes: |
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'An international team found those who started using cannabis below the age of 18 - while their brains were still developing - suffered a drop in IQ.'
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Prob stoned when doing the IQ test and thought " why bother "
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Are you trying to suggest 'lacking motivation' should be added to the ever growing list of side effects? Ok, leave it to me. I'll do it now. |
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No suggestions. Just humour. I just think of bill hicks sometimes when I think of this
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At what age did you first smoke cannabis? It could explain a lot, about some of the issues you seem to have. Was it before, or after you first used heroin? As for the findings of this latest research, which was widely reported in the news throughout the world, as far as I understand it's an independent, on-going study of a cross-sample of people, that's been going on for the last thirty years. |
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Wrong, again. Your memory really is shot to pieces, isn't it? Please feel free to quote me, showing I did this. Good luck. |
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It's a bit like that football chant, about the opposition only singing when they're winning. The silly dopes on here only whinge when they're losing...the plot. ;) |
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After last night's slanging debacle (which Mick rightly deleted), I have changed my signature.
We need to be aware that legal drugs can cause personality changes too. |
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Being able to back up a wild claim with actual evidence, if needs be? Yes, unlike those apparently lacking any motivation, that's something I can always do quite easily. The sad thing is, although it's perfectly clear to everyone else, you really don't know just how much your early use of recreational drugs has diminished your ability to comprehend even the simplest of things. It is, sad. |
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...and if that was aimed at myself, knowing that I take drugs for Parkinson's disease, but were too mealy-mouthed to actually name me, you may very well be right. I'm certainly much more relaxed when faced with idiocy, than I was years ago. Ask anyone who knew me as a child. I've never been one to suffer fools gladly. Even ones who are a bit dense, through no fault of their own. ;) |
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"Designer" Personalities? | Psychology Today PS- once of a time you wouldn't have ladled out red karma for an opinion expressed without malice |
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Again. Just because you weren't the recipient, doesn't mean it didn't happen in the past. Your evidence for this particular theory is patchy, to say the very least. |
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I recall you once apologised for your nasty remarks to me.
Todays red karma shows me that times(you) have changed. |
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You are wrong, and in an attempt to show kindness to the less fortunate, I forgive you. Those who've known me a long while, both before and after taking prescribed drugs for Parkinson's, will confirm I've always been as nice as pie...to nice people, but have always been in the habit of giving rude, nasty, or stupid people a taste of their own medicine...with an added dose of poison thrown in for good measure. No change there then. Now spark up another roll up, and settle down to spend yet more time reading things you find obviously find distasteful, but which somehow fills up a hole in your life. :smoky: |
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I think you have proved the point I made :D - thanks for forgiveness
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I tried to make excuses for some of the crap you've posted before about myself, and my health issues. It's probably a good job you're a hermit, afraid to go out in case someone's wearing Tweed by Lentheric at the bus stop. You think I'm scathing? After reading some of the things you have posted, if you ever meet my mother again, who someone told what drivel you'd come out with on here, you ain't seen nothing yet. I'm a pussy cat, when dealing with nastiness, in comparisson. Perhaps personality's more genetic, than influenced by prescribed medicine. :rolleyes: |
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Now that I know I can be a bit more empathic and maybe forgive your attitude - maybe - not sure yet. |
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I'm very much a glass half full type of person, besides being much too lazy to waste time worrying about things I can't change. It's a chapter I didn't see coming in life's book, but having Parkinson's has brought about many positive changes in my life. A pension that paid out, retiring at thirty nine, and leaving the rat race whilst still relatively young, and as many holidays in the sun that I can cope with in a year, bitter? Yeah, right. Back to the subject of this thread, the legalisation of recreational drugs. Here's another poor soul, who suffered the consequences of his decision to take mind-altering drugs, for his own pleasure. Cannabis is not an innocent drug. Teenage addicts risk significant brain damage | Mail Online |
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Unlike your's, given in return. Anonymously hinting at some sinister secret about my late father, and aunt, who were childhood neighbours of your's. You're scraping that barrel so desperately you're almost getting a tune out of it. Bless you. Who needs drugs? It's true. Laughter is the best medicine. :rofl38::rofl38::rofl38: |
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