How the mighty has fallen
 

Guess that there are more than one of us who remember the days of the Accrington Observer on Edgar Street that used to publish news about the area.

The days you could walk in with a photo and a relevant local story. When you bought it to see where you stood in the local darts, dominoes and snooker league.

When it was filled with news from our local area, with on site reporters who talked to people face to face instead of just ringing up for a quote and publishing councillors photo-ops....

Today...

Man trapped in car for nine hours with broken leg and internal injuries - Accrington Observer

A river in Blackburn in the Little Harwood area is 'NEAR RISHTON'???? And it's 'LOCAL' news.....and...It's almost copy/pasted from the LT...talk about lazy journalism..

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I have been saying it for a long time - the Observer is a rubbish newspaper and in my opinion cannot really be said to be a local paper, or one that is in tune with the area it is supposed to represent.
The job adverts are mainly for positions in Greater Manchester, services adverts are also mainly for GM. The Food column - beyond a large section of the Hyndburn electorate, as is the wine. Restaurants - guess where they are.
I fully agree with Guinness - inaccurate, poorly written, many grammatical errors (whatever happened to "Proof Readers"), perhaps the staff, particularly the management should read copies of the Observer from an earlier era and see what a local area should be.

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It's not Accrington Observer anymore. We have never bought any since it was published in Rochdale.

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Well yes, it's a paper that's seen it's day, BUT, what are we doing most days?

AccyWeb used to be the best local site around here, just look over the past few days, next to nothing, maybe we shouldn't be too critical until we post things of interest?

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Yep most of those who used to post one here have now gone to Garinda's Hyndburn Chat page on facebook, its all about local history and local news, no bickering, no slanging, no rude remark, very little swearing, instant ban if you try anything on, like some who used to post on here trying to change things to their liking, and most of the 1300 members have been Accy Webbers. You can't join like on here, you can only join Hyndburn Chat by invite.

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Exactly. A good proof reader would have inserted a question mark.

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And while we're at it, a good proof reader would have got rid of the unnecessary quotation marks and the use of upper case letters in Proof Readers. Whatever happened to proof readers?

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the accy observer has gone the same as the Rossendale free press ... after they shut the offices in both Accrington and rawtenstall .. everything is Manchester based .. they used to have dedicated reporters who covered different areas .. now the same reporters are covering both Rossendale and Accrington ..

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Yes, I know that to be true....but I will not be joining them...invited or not.

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A while ago we cancelled our Evening Telegraph feeling that it was poor value for money.....the Observer is going to get the same treatment soon.

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Is that because you don't like Facebook?

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I abhor Facebook.
I will never ever subscribe to it.
I know that there are people who say it does good things...rallying support for good causes etc, but to me it is mostly vain and vacuous.
Not for me.Anyway right now I am busy with things in real life.....that is why I have been less active on here.

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I used to work at the Observer on a Friday night packing the papers for the Newsagent as they came off the press, also rolling papers up ready to put in the post for those who had left the area.

The man in charge at that time in the Press Room was called Dixon Hargreaves.

Got paid 19/6d for a hard nights work.

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What I would really like to know is how these people are invited(poached) away from Accyweb, and didn't these former members think to try to influence accyweb from the inside??
I am sure that many of the converts to Hyndburn Chat(that name puts me off right away) were the ones who did the slanging, swearing, etc that they do not get away with now.

There has always been a choice and those who have gone over to FB have made theirs.

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I'm not sure about this issue of being invited to join Hyndburn Chat. It's just like any other Group on Facebook; you make a request to join and are then accepted. There is no poaching involved.

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Have you ever tried Facebook?

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That was a tongue in cheek comment.

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My daughter used to be on Facebook (for professional reasons)and I found it not to be to my liking.....so I never joined....I have been asked, but it doesn't appeal to me in the least.
So no, I haven't tried it.
I haven't tried tripe either, but I know from the look of it that it would not be to my taste.

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Why does anyone have to have to make a choice between Accyweb and Hyndburn Chat? I'm quite happily a member of both and so are a lot of other people. They're totally different animals and are both highly enjoyable and worthwhile in their own separate ways!

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I don't like tripe either, but I tried it when I was a child. Facebook is what you make of it, just like Accrington Web.

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I agree.

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Hi Margaret. No they weren't poached, they had just got fed up with all the slanging and back biting that goes on on here, and the way its run there is no need for any of them to try to chnge it, and none of the trouble makers on here are members of Hyndburn Chat, sorry you don't like the name but what else could we call it.

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I just have not got the time for both in my life.......and if I did have time I would not choose to spend it on FB.
For those who have the time (and the inclination) that is fine.......but it does seem that some former members have chosen one over the other.

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I don't know what they could call it.
And it doesn't really matter because I won't be part of it.
The back biting and slanging was done by those who have now left and Garinda would freely admit that he could be as acid tongued as the next person,(he was a past master of the put down) but hey he won't have it on his page of FB...that strikes me as being a bit hypocritical.

There has always(as far as I am aware) been a channel to deal with those who are unruly and it has been used.

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Now that's right up my ginnel.;)

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Facebook is all very well as an instant chat thing but forums are far better for archiving material.

I operate several website on which we archive material from years gone by and we have been asked to open Facebook versions. Have you ever tried to find material, on Facebook, which was posted last year? We have and found such searches to be impossible so we will stick with websites where our archive material is easily found by the next generation of interested parties.

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you are correct you do not get invited you ask to join by clicking join group


also there is bickering etc its just dealt with quickly

usually the person been an asshole gets a temporary ban which leads to a permanent ban if they continue :)

people tend to speak more carefully on facebook not because of any special rules but because its in their real name when they post

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I have now become a member of Hyndburn Chat, to see if I am missing anything, and I have quickly come to the conclusion that it is just a dis-jointed collection of day to day life. This is all very well for folks who have nowt better to do than gossip all day but for normal folks, I suspect it is just a passing phase. The only problem is, there is no means of reference to past events or comments.

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If you don't like Facebook, don't use it. If you like Facebook but don't like Hyndburn Chat, then don't use Hyndburn Chat. I like both, so I guess I am someone with nowt better to do than gossip all day, unlike normal folks.

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AW has its uses and hyndburn chat has its uses

you get from it what you want

perhaps sunday night at a bank holiday weekend wasnt the best time to join a group to see what its about but iv been a member since it started and have yet to hear anyone spreading gossip on it..

theres talking , some brief conversations that others jump in and contribute to which was the whole point of the internet been created

communication and bringing people together

possibly porn too :confused:

regardless if folk dont like it they can tick the box to leave the group..No ones making anyone stay who dosnt want to be there

one thing it does have is more of a councilor presence and mp presence as well as the ex mayor so if your interested in local events they get mentioned more there so information is more up to date on local things

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one thing for sure is both AW and hyndburn chat have done a damn sight better than anything HBC has tried to do and hasnt cost the people of hyndburn a penny

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I have always used my real name on here.
I still think it is hypocritical for the folk who could have a row with themselves in an empty room, to go on an the ban the behaviour that they used on here when they set up something themselves....perhaps it just goes to show that running a forum or media site(or a part of it)isn't that easy.
I'm staying here...even if I have to talk to myself!

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Tell you what, I'm sick and tired of folk who don't like something, whether it be Facebook or Hyndburn Chat or Accyweb, and feel compelled to issue sneering putdowns. If you don't like it fine, nobody's forcing you to use it, but don't start insulting the folk who do enjoy it. :mad:

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Not entirely sure you can class Facebook as 'A passing phase'. Its as good as the person that works it. There are timelines, archives and history. You can search for people that went to the same school as you, worked at the same place as you, or find people that you met at an event years ago and have never met since. You can search companies, their histories and their related businesses, not just locally but around the world.

Maybe the limitation isnt with the platform but with knowledge of how it can be used?

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I aint overkeen on Facebook, never have been, but thats one of the biggest loads of arrogant crap i have seen on here, n ive seen plenty oer the years, I have been using facebook occasionally fer quite a few years, it keeps me in touch with old friends that aint from around here fer one thing, plus a few others, If your normal folk, then i'm quite relieved i aint.:rolleyes:

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You use what suits your purpose. It is as simple as that.
I have no quarrel with those who get good use out of some alternative site....it would not do for us all to like the same things.
Horses for courses.

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Just been on the AO website

Accrington Observer - News, sports, weather and events for in and around Accrington

Shocked to see the Sports headline. STANLEY SET FOR RELEGATION SCRAP.

I wondered what it was all about. A post season re-allocation of points? Have the Football League found some evidence of wrongdoing down at the Crown Ground (or whatever they call it these days)?

No. The sports 'headline' has been there since 5th February.

A sign they have given up the ghost?

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I never said I didn't like Facebook, I was commenting about the fact that none of the useful content submitted was archived and that it is merely a glorified chatroom.
Perhaps one reason why many Accywebbers have moved over to Facebook is due to the nature of the replies from the stalwarts of Accyweb, as in this case. They may not agree with another person's point of view but it very quickly gets personal and insulting.
I have even experienced sarcasm in a PM from a mod, that is no way to administer a forum of any kind.
If members are afraid to comment because they are rounded on by other members, I don't blame them for leaving.

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You said fer normal folk, yeh suspect its just a passing phase, simple as, That to me is arrogant n insulting, if yeh dont like the fact i said so tough.:rolleyes: if anyones afraid to comment to straight talk, they shouldn't be on the internet imho.

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I am sorry if my comments have been over the top but there is a reason why I am so anti Social Media at the moment. We are in the middle of a large project and most of the work is being done by six individuals, in their own offices. The project is way behind schedule although the timescale was not considered tight. As project co-ordinator I am hearing numerous reasons why sections of the project are late. The main excuse is the lack of time yet the same individuals are spending a lot of their time Tweeting and posting on Facebook.

If they were on the phone chatting to people I would never know but to be posting on open social media, during working hours and then complaining they are short of time, I find annoying. There is a danger that we could not get paid for this job and lack of delivery would also affect my reputation for future projects.
It may seem hypocritical of me to be posting during working hours but my part of the project is completed, I am just waiting for others to complete the work they were hired to do.

There is nothing wrong with Social Media but it does seem to be running many people's lives.

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Yes, it does very quickly become personal and insulting, doesn't it?

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I am a member of a number of FB groups through which I am able to connect with ex-RAF personnel that I have served with who now are scattered all over UK and the world and with friends made during my 20 years of working overseas.
I am also a member of HC, which takes a few minutes to check and see if there is anything that takes my interest as with this site. If people are spending work time on things other than what they are paid for then you should not employ them, but if it is in their own time then that is their business - nobody has the right to criticise them for how they spend their time

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You know they're doing it in company time, the project is well behind and you may not get paid for it!
But all you do is moan about it on Accyweb? Heavens, man, if I was your boss and I found out it would be your job on the line as well as theirs!
Never mind your reputation, worry about your job!
You're the co-ordinator, that means you're the boss, you're in charge, you're responsible!
Get that stick out.

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Don't blame FB. If you have a deadline to meet on the project, its up to you to motivate the staff and establish a sense of team work that makes them WANT to complete the job on time. That will enhance your reputation for future projects. If "your part of the project is completed", should you not be getting in there helping those who might be struggling, rather than sitting back and posting on Accy Web?

I find FB terrific. It keeps me up to date with friends, past and present. You can use the filters to get rid of anything you DON'T want to see, and where else could I get an audience of hundreds to view my photographs (but only if they want to)?:)

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Got to admit, if you can't keep your team on track, whom should we suppose isn't the right man for the job?

we all go a touch diverse, be it talking about Eastenders around the coffee machine, (compulsory these days or else you're being sexist), but if you can't keep them working, well...

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This reminds me of the Waldorf Salad episode of Fawlty Towers, in which the aggressive American guest tells Fawlty to get in there and bust his ass.

So, bust their asses, Morecambe!

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I have had to hire in extra help as my skillset doesn't cover some of the areas involved. A friend of mine recommended the team to me, as he has worked with them before and he too is ragged off with their attitude.
If they were local, I would take them out for a beer or two and have a motivational ra ra session but unfortunately they are too far away.
Other people in the industry I have spoken to tell me they have the same problem even with local teams.
I don't blame Facebook for this because even without it the same people would be spending some of their working time searching for holidays or playing Candy Crush etc.

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A beer or two?
A 'ra ra' session?
Are they the only motivating tools you have available? How about ' If you foul this up and we don't get paid you won't get paid- and we'll put the word out'?
If I'd had to use a 'beer or two and a ra ra session' to motivate 400+ people I'd have been permanently sozzled and broke- and fairly quickly sacked.
If that's the best modern management can do thank Heavens I'm retired.

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The threat of non payment was made very early on in the process
You don't mention what you were motivating the 400 people to achieve but can I assume that they were in full view of management during their working hours and had measurable achievement levels?
I have never had such problems with teams working in the same office but this remote working is a situation I am in no rush to repeat.

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I wish my bosses had given me a beer or two and a ra-ra session when I used to work. They'd have got more out of me.

My bosses tended to be too old school and straight laced.

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Perhaps the Project Management programme being used is not suitable for your particular project. With an appropriate programme and a flexible flow chart, management can easily identify problem areas/personnel and take steps at a very early stage to rectify any problems that arise, and in many cases, depending upon the complexity of the project, even predict where a problem is going to occur.
Problems are not necessarily caused by incompetent staff, management can also be the culprit.

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Luckily you have two choices!
You're between a rock and a hard place.
So you can wait for the rock to fall on you or fall onto the hard place.;)

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Check out their Lancs League Cricket news, from last season....

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That sounds like a paragraph from one of those self help books that network marketing love so much.

I am used to working with people who deliver what they promise. In this case, I hired a team of supposedly competent programmers to create a module to integrate an application I had created with a software package they themselves created.

They gave me a time scale regarding how long it would take them and we are now well past that. They have offered no explanation as to why the job wasn't done yet they still have plenty of time to chat and post on social media.

I believe that no amount of motivational BS, project management programs and flow charts would make up for the fact that they have simply not delivered the result they promised by the agreed deadline.

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I have always been up front and honest with my client over this and we are having a discussion about it tomorrow. He knows the situation and rather than throwing toys out of the pram, we are looking for a workable solution.

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You're in luck, I hope it goes well tomorrow.
I can imagine it's very difficult working with a team of young IT guys at a distance.
'This is boring! Let's go and play'.

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To be honest, each post you put on seems more desperate than the last, are you really sticking to the script?
It used to be about how bad the Obbo was doing not some individuals mismanagement????

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A pefectly legitimate thread-wander, is it not Less, bearing in mind the title of the thread especially??!

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Could well be, I just hope he survives this mishap, I certainly hope his boss has a backup plan.

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Back now to an earlier thread-wander: I have read through this thread a number of times and have reflected hard before deciding to comment - still not sure if it's a good idea but well... here goes.

I was the first person who Garinda invited onto Hyndburn Chat when he decided to start up the group on Facebook. It doesn't sound such a bad name to me, a place on Facebook for people connected to the Hyndburn area to chat and air their views on anything connected to the Borough of Hyndburn (Accrington and District - for those who want to split hairs), past or present...
I have co-administrated the group with him from the start, on his invitition, and later Carol was invited as a 3rd administrator when the group became too large for just 2 people to manage. We have invested a lot of time, effort and love (yes - the L word) into getting it off the ground and building it up into quite a successful space for people to log into and participate on, over 2 and half years on. No poaching, no invites but as a closed group you have to be accepted into it, at our discretion, and follow some fairly simple behaviour guide-lines in order to avoid unpleasantness. There is enough of that in the world and the concept of a relaxing place where one can spend a few words and engage with others who have similar interests, without feeling threatened or mobbed, is fundamental to the aim of the group. "Come in, sit down and have a brew and a chat..." rather like neighbours used to do...
There are a number of locally connected groups on Facebook and other websites on the internet besides AW - I think each one has it's own validity and space/user-base eg Shutterfly for Ossy, Rishton-web, 50 shades of Accrington etc., I personally consult them all. They are all run by dedicated people who spend time and energy to keep them going. I don't think any of them was set up to be some form of threat or competition to AW.
It is not surprising that Morecambe Ex-pat (initials KW - I think...) did not last long in the group as his comments were found to be off-hand, critical and not in the spirit of exchange that is typical of HC - but then he set out to be displeased and did not give himself the time to settle, have a look around and take part genuinely - his loss I'm afraid. I was off-line when his exchanges took place and the others decided to block his intervention as a number of members complained about his comments, hence the ban. They informed me and I read through the relevant thread and picked up that the argument had been discussed here.
I still participate on AW when family commitments permit - mainly on DaveMac's great photo thread - and hope to continue doing so in the future. It is always nice to see some familiar names on both groups and have exchange with folk from my home-town.
By the way, robust discussion and exchange of opinion is encouraged on HC - particularly seen when politics is the topic for discussion - as long as it does not descend into personal insults and is reasoned. We do not discriminate against people on any grounds and hopefully have a wide range of members who reflect the whole area of Hyndburn. AW is always mentioned fondly as a member of the family would be...

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Dianne it does seem that many of those members who now use Facebook no longer come on here.
After all there are only so many hours in a day and you cannot be as committed to,two,sites as you can be to one......and I know that may not apply to everyone....but most people have other responsibilities.
Horses for courses.... I guess it depends what you want from a site.

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That's true obviously - I think so many people are on FB now that a local group on there, which will come onto your "feed" with the latest posts, is the easier option for many people. In my case, as admin. there, it is my priority - like yourself family matters have been limiting my time for the last 6 months or so and it has become more difficult to dedicate time to both, though I would like to be able to...
There was never any intention to set one group against another however - I hope that is clear - they are both valid in their own way and have their own place.

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There has never been any doubt about the validity of both groups......and it is a personal choice as to which gets the most input if you happen to belong to both groups.
Everyone uses the forum for their own needs....to get out of it what satisfies them.

For me, I prefer Accyweb...and right now I only have time for one mistress(sometimes not even that).

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No. It is purely from experience - being responsible for major projects during my service in the RAF and subsequently in overseas locations with multi national workforces overseas, including the total airfield electronics fit and associated building construction on the largest air base outside the USA/USSR at the time. The use of flow charts and Critical Path analysis is essential - even for the smaller tasks.
Management must always take the responsibility both for success and failure. Management hires the workforce and supervises it, if it doesn't then it is not managing the task.

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I have been invited on several occasions to join Facebook but as it is of no interest to me I have always declined. However, although it is not my cup of tea I see no reason to speak against it. If it’s what others want then let them enjoy it. Several of my family are members and get a lot of enjoyment and use out of it.

For instance, when my youngest daughter was living in the UK she was able to get in touch again with many of her old school friends, get up-to-date with what they were doing and vice versa. Now she is back in Australia she is able to easily keep in touch with all the friends she made in Glasgow.

It's just not for me - nor do I go on Twitter. Not interested. However, I greatly enjoy my regular drop-in to Accyweb and that’s where I’ll stay, love it!

By the way, can you please enlighten us, Morecambe Ex Pat, as to how you know the team you are employing are spending so much time on Facebook if they are not working near you? Just asking. Forget the beer and ra ra – stop the pay cheques, that will get their attention quick smart. Initially you should have inserted a penalty clause in their contracts – hopefully you will have learnt from this.

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Dotti, those are my sentiments exactly regarding Facebook.
I do not tweet or Twitter, I do not use a mobile phone much.....yes, I have one, but it is in my bag switched off until I want to phone a taxi,or a family member to pick me up from where ever I might have got to.
I use what suits me.....not what a large proportion of the population use.
I too have family scattered across the world, but we use email to keep in touch....and that does for me.

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Have to say Margaret that I resisted a mobile phone for a long time. But now there are so few public phones left and this makes a person up the proverbial creek without a paddle if they need to contact someone when out and about. So, for this reason only, I succumbed.

However, I use my phone only for making and receiving calls and messages – I am not interested in all the gadgets that some people have on theirs. I also make sure I use it at the appropriate time and place. Privately!!!!

They have become an obsession with so many people and it beggars belief those who cry poor but can still manage to have the latest in phones. The way some people use them I think the mobile phone has to be one of the most anti-social pieces of equipment ever invented.

Sorry, I’ve wandered off thread…..

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I know they are using Facebook because each time they post, it appears on my timeline, yes I do use Facebook although I am not all that keen on it.
There have been no pay checks as it is a payment on completion and this is looking increasingly less likely to be achieved.

As for Hyndburn Chat, I hadn't realised that I had been banned as I have not been back, this is the first time I have ever been banned from any kind of interactive site.

I am surprised that I was not contacted directly and asked to apologise for my comments which some members found offensive.

I wish the group well and hope you get much enjoyment out of it, I never said I didn't actually like the group.

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Facetime Margaret, a wonderful part of the ever changing social media. We use it to keep in touch with my son and family in the US. A 20 minute call last weekend from our shed on wheels in the Principality allowed us to see and talk to my granddaughters and about their coming trip over here. All free. We even got taken into the basement to see Milly the rabbit !! My UK gkids keep in touch with their US cousins via FT too.
Hell I even use it to say "Night Night to Mrs P when I am on my travels"
Romantic and sentimental old me :)

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I have an Ipad and an Ipad mini...but I have never used facetime.
Maybe it isn't possible on my machines because they are wifi rather than cellular...but I don't know because I have never tried.
I don't think I would use it anyway as I cannot imagine having my fizzog on someones screen.
E-mail suits me just fine.......and when there is a crisis I do resort the the phone...landline that is.

Dotti, like you I resisted having a mobile phone, but when I was working I would sometimes get off duty very late and my family wanted me to be able to contact them so that they knew I was safe......so even back then I only ever used it to say 'I'm setting off for home or I will be at least another hour...eat without me'.
I do not feel the need to be constantly connected to the world and his wife....and my phone is for my convenience.

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I only got a mobile so if the boss was out in the car, she could contact me if need arose, in other words i was badgered into getting one.:D I do use it, but only very rarely n texts are even rarer, its just a bog standard mobile wi no fancy gadgets, which truthfully is more than i want anyway.:D

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Although I have an iPad, most of my Internet input, including AccyWeb, is done via my phone. I wouldn't be without it.

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Hadn't heard of Facetime, not using Apple products.
Is Skype out of fashion now? I tried it a while ago and thought it quite good.

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Back to thread- The Observer.
It might not be a good read but is still good 'lavvy paper'?
As I remember the texture was better than the LET!

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I prefer softer stuff for my BTM.

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Well just look at this....a nice meandering thread that has had numerous wanderings...without overzealous moderation (is [Mr deleted] on holiday?)..people debating...occasionally heatedly but without rancour.

From the local rag to facebook to council failings to man management to mobile phones and back to the local rag with comedic stuff interspersed.

It's like the early days of this forum. Facebook and twitter have their place but a local forum is still the best way to figure out where a poster is coming from regardless of pseudonyms

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Easy for you to say, some of us are wrong before we post no matter what we say.

(I'll apologise now shall I before they start name calling?).

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PLEASE NOTE
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we don't mind thread wanders as long as they come back on thread:p