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Oh, I saw the smiley but you know me, I don't do sarcastic!
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Here'e the latest one I read ... unfortunately in the Canadian media

Even more troubling is the fact that so many Britons now are suffering from voter's remorse, describing their Leave ballots as a protest vote they didn't really believe would "take."

Ok ... so 17 million plus British old farts, ill-educated, yearning for the glories of Empah, wishing to return to some Golden Age, jealous of the young .... and a whole bunch of other shiite ... voted to leave, hoping that they would stay:confused:

And that Golden Age they yearn for: Maybe the 40s and the 50s? Well, apart from a little dust up in the forties, unemployment, collapse of the cotton industry, rationing, and a few other things ... who can forget the joys of hand-me-downs and gussets.

Could be the 30s and 40s ... ok, so there were a few minor economic glitches starting in 29, and appeasing governments bent on surrender to the fascists even without having a war, but nothing serious.

Now, just in case you are concerned that I might deal with every decade back to the Anarchy of the twelfth century, or even the Roman invasion, fear not. We can't go back beyond the 30s 'cause that would be BP .. before penicillin. And nobody ... particularly old folks ... likes that. For they have reached their own Golden Years, where they are kept healthy by pharmaceuticals (indeed, they are a burden on the NHS and tax paying young.)

That makes everything clearer ... The in side won because the "outs" didn't really mean to do what they did. Simple.:D

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SXWX6qg0y4

Well that's the problem with age, I don't remember regretting voting the way I did, yes it was a protest vote, I had thought it was a protest against the EU, things are getting a little vague though, after all, Thursday was more than two days ago.

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Well were really outa Europe tonight.:(

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Funny thing its Cameron has Gone.:D:D:D:D

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Yes Cashy...is that what you call the biter getting bit(I know it should be bitten but hey ho)?

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Yeh only qualified that remark so egg @ chips wouldn't get on yer case.:D;)

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You know me too well Cashy.

I have to say that David Cameron is something of a wuss....he leaves the country in the lurch, chucks his toys out of the pram because we did not swallow his scary stories.
I don't like George Osborne, but hiis speech this morning was statesman-like.......and it is obvious that he has been doing all he can since Thursday to keep things on an even keel. I did not detect any hint of sourness - or 'I told you it would end in tears' from him.
I still don't like him, but he has gone up a point or two in my estimation.

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Correct grammar isn't that difficult to learn if your interested Cashy, they have courses in it at teacher training colleges but only because the kids that start at these places won't have learnt it at Comprehensive school.

It must be easy I've even met a few P.E. teachers that could almost throw together a complete sentence.

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Have to agree about Osborne this morning chokes me to say so, but fair play was no bitching.;)

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Not really interested to be honest, i got high grades at the tech in it, but Moby Dick was a tadpole back then,

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Didn't think you would be, you have your own original style for getting a point across.
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Never realised "Telling what i think is the truth" was original?:D

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Cashy, I think it is the way you tell it that is the original bit.:)

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Do you think David Cameron would have had a chance if he'd stood up and admitted he got it wrong, that the electorate had spoken and although surprised at the outcome, as PM, he would do everything he could to make our exit from the EU as swift and painless as possible or has he just burnt all of his bridges.
To me, he hasn't actually resigned, he has handed in his notice. I thought people who resigned, left with immediate effect and were escorted from the building.

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Not a chance they made the fatal mistake of trying to frighten the public, and for that will never be forgiven, imho

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I think it would have been much more statesman like for him to admit he had misjudged the feelings in the country......and I am pretty sure that it would have calmed some of the jitters(even if it was only a little bit).
His credibility would have been enhanced by a couple of points.

What makes me uneasy is that this uncertainty will continue until Article 50 is invoked.
Is this the way that David Cameron shows his love for the country.....or is it a way to dole out punishment for not getting his own way....or is it something far more serious and sinister???
Is there some skulduggery afoot to block the democratic wishes of the electorate?

I really don't know.....but because I am a cynical old baggage these thought come into MY mind.
I don't know about the rest of you....but I feel that we are not OUT until the gates clang shut with us at one side and J.C.Junker on the other.

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It seems that way to me, after what Hunts hinting at this morning,:rolleyes: the same skullduggery is happening and destroying the Labour party, tragic but true.:eek:

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English is a wonderful language, over many centuries it has harvested words from a huge variety of sources and as a result it is probably the most capable language on the planet of expressing the finest distinctions of meaning. However careless use can produce endless confusion such as a request to 'CHOP DOWN that tree and then CHOP UP into firewood'. Its also the case that most trades and professions have found it necessary to have their own subsidiary dictionaries something which those with whom they deal can find infuriating such as house owners who find that ALL RISKS does not quite meet their expectations when their teenagers party has finished.

When dealing with politicians it is very wise to find out precisely which dictionaries are currently being used. If the recent referendum had voted on IN/OUT and the subsidiary dictionary had been cricket then the outcome would have been clear. However the vote was for REMAIN/LEAVE and the subsidiary dictionary was unclear, if the originator of the ballot script was a military person then the LEAVE option could simply mean some short period of time such as 72 hours.

This lack of clarity is unfortunate and should be remedied as soon as possible. In the short term the best solution is probably to speak to politicians slowly and clearly with ANGLO-SAXON as the subsidiary dictionary this appears to be the most probable to be unambiguously understood.

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Hill walker your postis very interesting but I am unsure of the point of it(maybe I am being a bit thick - or maybe this is a tongue in cheek post). I thought politicians were educated men and women...and we have spoken to them in the past and they have PRETENDED to hear us...they have PRETENDED that they were concerned.....well until we had put our X in their box and then they disregarded everything that we ever said to them.
Yes our language is full of inconcistencies......and I know from my experience with foreign doctors that(as a nurse) some of them found it very difficult to understand. (you try explaining what a 'one night stand' is to a young chinese doctor)

If you are alluding to the question on the Ballot paper, I do not think it could have been made clearer.
And those people who are now saying that they regret voting to LEAVE the EU.......I would ask what they thought they were voting for?
There has been a report this morning about families being at loggerheads because of the fact that some voted Remain, while others voted to LEAVE.
Was there no discussion and debate in these families during the nine month or so run up to this event?
I know that my daughter and I have had some in depth discussions about the vote and the implications....there was no doubt in my mind how members of my family would vote.....but had there been differences of opinion, then that is what they would have been.....not a major fallout.

As for professions having their own dictionary - yes and this was always so that those not 'in the know' were kept out of the loop.
That is why Doctors wrote most of their stuff in Latin...it sounded impressive and it kept the ordinary man ignorant.

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And yes.....I can spell inconsistencies.....I don't know how I missed that until after the time when it could not be corrected.

I hear that George Osborne is now saying that taxes will have to rise and services will need to be cut.
Maybe he should be looking to prioritise where the money goes.
A curtailment of the foreign aid budget may help defray some of these rises and cuts.....and perhaps suspending the HS2 project in favour of ensuring that services like schools and hospitals do not bear the brunt of these cuts.
It would also be in order for ALL the politicians to take a hit.....and to get their backsides into gear and sort out the current disarray......sort out who is going to be leader PRONTO....because the uncertainty in all aspects of business and finance will continue until it IS sorted.
And if this is an attempt to spit in the eye of those who voted leave, just so that they can say'we told you so'.....doing Britain down to make a point is a dirty business.

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Margaret, sorry I thought I had pitched it about right, clearly I hadn't, blame a lifetime working in an environment where it was policy (original usage being 'intention' rather than current usage being 'rule') that whilst some use of computing facilities for personal use was permitted any usage for some topics (sex, religion and politics) was discouraged.


To clarify I am utterly appalled at the way all our representatives have acted before, during and since this referendum. To cite two examples. First the pronouncements on the effect that a leaving result would have on the financial markets was an obvious self-fulfilling prophesy. The markets and pound were going to twitch whatever the result, they like stability but their traders love a twitch, that's how they make money, and any excuse will do. The self-fulfilling prophesy could only make it worse. Secondly the promises of extra money for this and that (particularly the NHS) was stupid as nobody can guess what state the economy will be in after the several years it will take to untangle the current financial arrangements with Europe. A few maybes, possibles, like tos would have helped but only minimally.


Now that the result is in what do the politicians do. One party decides the best thing is to campaign for re-admission, one party decides to self-destruct, and one party decides to turn itself into a headless chicken. Do any of them say (with conviction) 'OK keep calm we have a lot of work to do'?


Some of the electorate is almost as bad. Some think we are already out! Some say 'Oh is that what I voted for!


But worst of all we now have lots of people and politicians trying to define what LEAVE actually means, and some of those definitions are potentially the worst of all possible combinations namely keep access to the market place by continuing to pay out but also pay the price of no say on policy and no control over borders etc! Or another scenario, negotiate some sort of a deal and then have another referendum to ratify it.


Its all in the language. Before the event the IN campaigners should have clearly stated what they thought the future plans of the EU are and where they think its going. The LEAVE campaigners should have clearly stated what they thought LEAVE meant and what they thought the implications of this would be. Ok I know nobody has a crystal ball, the future cannot be accurately predicted but thoughts, aspirations and intents can be. Virtually all we got was from both sides was 'codswallop' which gives leave for people to say 'I didn't understand' or 'what I really meant was'. Like I say its all in the language and the word 'LEAVE' in this context is still to be defined, several politicians have already questioned it, and some have attempted their own definition.


Unlike you Margaret I did not do extensive research before voting, and I do not criticise you in any way for doing it your way. I based my judgment on living and working in what has already happened and my perception of the way things were developing and would continue to do so. In doing things this way I had to discount many things which many think of as great advantages/disadvantages of the EU. We as a country are perfectly capable of coming up with good ideas (eg NHS) and great failures of judgment (eg giving away our industrial base).


We have a result we should accept it and its consequences and get on with. It may be for the best it may not but as someone I know often says 'better to live with results of your own judgment than someone else's'.


RANT OVER


By the way I like the 'one night stand' example. My 'chop down/up' came from a conversation with a very well educated guy from Iraq who was stranded over here by the first Gulf war. His knowledge of English words was far greater than mine but his initial ability to use/interpret the words produced several conversations that all who were present will remember till their death. I should add that this situation did not last and before he left (for Canada) he gave me a book of English poetry he had written.

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I wonder, should Parliament need to vote on the Exit from the EU, how our representative in Parliament will vote?
The referendum vote was purely a personal vote and I do not criticise our MP for voting the way that he said he was going to, even though he had also stated that he felt we should leave the EU.
If it becomes a Parliamentary vote then is he going to follow the obvious desire of his constituents - over 60% of them and vote for Leave, thereby ignoring them and their choice, or is he once again going to follow the party line?

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OH, I did not consider it a rant at all and what you say is perfectly true.......thankyou for your clarification. I thought perhaps I was just being a bit dense.

I think your comment about what the IN campaigners thought would be the strategy and what the out campaigners saw as the future is very salient. They had plenty of time to come up with some ideas, although no-on could really be sure as it hasn't been done before(well not on this scale anyway).
Instead the campaigners did a pretty dire job of guesstimating (and both sides were as bad as each other) figures...worse still these guesstimates were delivered as facts.
Anyone with half a brain should have been able to tell that NO-ONE knew exactly what the outcome would be.

I also think that the tory party were convinced that the vote would be to stay in the EU....and that was a major misjudgement...they believed the polls and yet again the polls were wrong.

Yes I did do quite a lot of reading and research, but I also used my life experience as well(some people call it common sense, but it really isn't common at all).
I liked your maxim about accepting the result and getting on with it and living with the results of your own judgement rather than that of someone else's...that sums up my reason for voting leave very succinctly.

NO-ONE said it would be easy,but then the most worthwhile things in life never are.
We need to get some britches ar$e steam generated now and sort out the fisons.

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great news that corbyn is out or near as dam it

as should every MP be that voted remain against their constituents wishes

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Jeremy Corbyn says he is going nowhere despite an overwhelming vote of no confidence.
172 votes against him with only 40 MP's supporting the leader.
I cannot see how he can survive very long.

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good riddence to him and the sooner the better

he and others like him would still bend over and take it up the you know where from europe

yesterday he was ranting about how leave voters were racists and was more concerned about syrian refugees than fixing the UK and making sure it got the best for it in the coming future

he should leg it up north and go jump in to bed with that jimmy crankie look alike

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Thing is, though he aint been very good at all (in my eyes) he was voted leader by people whoever they happen to be, by a huge majority, last i heard that was democratic, The majority of Labour MPs have never really supported the man, the people who voted him in bothered to pay the subs and are grass roots people,as far as i'm concerned many Labour MPs have forgot the meaning of Democracy, and by calling on him to quit, you are actually backing a nest of vipers imho.:( I have just seen on twitter our own MP says Never once has Jeremy Corbyn said he supports Labour!! funny that, Can you recall our MP supporting his constituents over brexit? cos i certainly cant. Well to be perfectly honest i would rather support Corbyn than an MP who does that.

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Yes Jeremy Corbyn was democratically elected by people who paid £3 a pop for a vote.
But a man of honour who loses the confidence of his MP's would be getting his hat and coat on for the sake of the party.
He is like a football manager whose team suddenly decide they aren't going to play for him anymore. He cannot do the job standing alone or with such weak support as is apparent.

The whole situation demeans the Labour party, at a time when they need to be solid and unified.

If those people who paid to vote Jeremy Corbyn into the leadership, were doing it to divide the party...their work is done...it is cetainly looking that way.

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Well it looks more to me like those MPs suck and people are falling for this crap, helped by the media, theres been nothing ive seen today thats telling us about the stuff thats going on in Calais, among other things like how stocks have picked up, Its the media who is unsettling the public, try being cynical in that respect Margaret.;) check this stuff up, and see what they aint telling us.

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Cashy, I know what they aren't telling us.....I read news from a variety of sources, but that news is being relegated by the political shenanigans that are ripping the Labour Party apart......and it IS happening.....however it is reported.
I never said it was good....in fact, it is dire and does nothing for the reputation of the UK in general.
It just shows what a shower of Fisons there are in politics.
It doesn't do to let the British public know that the FTSE and the pound has rallied a little.
They all want us to believe that the things they said would happen ARE happening.
It was inevitable that stock markets would get twitched, that we would lose our triple A credit rating( even though it is as safe to invest in the UK as it was at the beginning of the year).....it was inevitable that sterling would fall a little ( good for exports).

Politicians want to continue to feed us doom and gloom.
It is part of their agenda.....like I said most of them are fertiliser.

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WOW Cashy, that must be the longest post you've ever made!!

You are well known on here for eloquently stating your view in as few words as possible, yet, even though this ranks as possibly your longest one-finger effort, it is surely one of your best, to the point, and as truthful as you always are!!

Keep up the good work, your views, and those of Magpi are the ones I look most forward to reading on here!!

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be prepared for the biggest bag of lies ever told by MPs as they clamber to save their seats at the next election

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That might be what happens Accyman ,but I think it is clear that the scales are falling from the eyes of those whose votes they rely on.
Maybe, just maybe the electorate will be treated with a little more respect.
Maybe the polls won't be relied upon so heavily.
Maybe there has been an awakening of some political awareness in the voters.
It is not before time......but then again maybe inertia will set in and nothing will change. How very sad that would be.

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I saw some of the coverage of the European Parliament yesterday and more than 1 MEP accused Nigel Farage and the Leave campaign of lying about the £350 Million claim. This 'lie' has been banded about and blamed as the main reason the Leave camp won.
Did anyone in the Leave camp actually say that £350 Million would be redirected to the NHS and was the picture of the poster I saw, which said that, genuine or was it Photoshopped?

I am not sure whether I like Nigel Farage as a politician and he may be unpopular in the European Parliament but he certainly didn't take any crap from the other MEPs.

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I really didn't believe any of the figures bandied about by either side....they were just thrown in to divert attention from other issues and they(in the main) did do this.
My view was that, no one really knew what the figures of any of the 'lies' we're going to be until it was all done and dusted.

I think that some of the commentators from both sides made it up as they went along.

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Have just read a post on Twitter by our M.P. saying Saving Labour, its time for Jeremy Corbyn to resign for the good of our country, Agree then e-mail your MP.Well sorry I do NOT agree, Our M.P. has NEVER listened to the wishes of the people about J.C. since the man was elected, in fact he even resigned the Labour Whip at that time as i recall, To be frank Graham and his nest of vipers is likely to completely destroy the Labour Party, and if they do, they should remember how the SDP faded into oblivion very quickly.:mad:

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I'm sorry but I have to agree with you Cashman .

Graham Jones and most of the Parliamentary Labour Party have never accepted the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn who was elected democratically by members and supporters of the Labour Party .

They have continuously undermined his leadership , and have sought for the first opportunity to get rid of him .

The present crisis in the Labour Party has been manufactured by Labour MPs such as Graham Jones to replace Jeremy Corbyn .

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The trouble is JCB, the M.P.s are elected to represent their constituents as far as i'm aware? most of em from all parties fail to do that i think. They arrogantly think they know better! so completely ignore what people said, its people like that have got us in this mess. cos the media follow to get a story that will bite. P.S. why yer sorry yeh have to agree wi me? pmsl

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Perhaps our M.P. could show him how it's done by falling on his own sword?

This may not save the labour party but it would mean we in Hyndburn and district would have a chance of electing someone that puts the area before party politics.

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I'm sorry that what you say is true , and I would rather it weren't true .

Like you , I want an effective Labour Party which is true to traditional Labour values , but these values have all gone out the window somewhere or other .

Not a pretty sight to behold .

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It sure aint a pretty site, but i say its getting stoked up by the media as well, theres one of mondays appointments resigned already, well that proves to me what SNAKES we have sadly inherited, cos why did she accept only 36 hrs ago?:( what ordinary people think of this action can only do more damage to Labour in my view.

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The MP you are talking about is Pat Glass....this is the MP who called someone a 'horrible racist' because they supported the leave campaign, while she was in favour of remaining.
She is giving up politics at the next election as she found the campaigning for the EU to traumatic......so no real loss there then.

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I find it quite amazing that there are over 17 million racists in the country which is what there are if this type of propaganda is to be believed. We all have a certain amount of prejudice against our fellow man not all of whom are immigrants or potential immigrants. That doesn't mean all that voted leave did it for racial reasons, so it's about time those that wanted to stay stopped spouting this little snippet and joined with the rest with a determined effort to work together and ensure that we all benefit from the outcome.

Had the vote been to stay, I hope I would now be prepared to accept whatever fate held for us within the Union.

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Cashy, calling them snakes is being unkind to snakes.
After all snakes do what they have to do....it is an inbuilt genetic trait. While the current collection of Labour MP's are just a shower of fisons.
They have no real allegiance to either their voters or to the party.
Everyone needs to remember this when it is time to vote again.

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Much of the doom and gloom being peddled by those sour bad losers will be a self fulfilling prophecy......except that No, it isn't the value of sterling has risen, the FTSE is back at the level it was in February......and many businesses are saying the there has been no change in their customer base.

Losing the triple A rating was bound to happen, but the credit rating agency Standard and Poor have been wrong in the past about the economic growth of this country.....and of course we are not out of the woods, but I can see sunshine through the trees.

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And the media keeps telling us how the 2nd Referendum poll has increased, who gives a stuff, get oer it you saddos democracy tells yeh were OUT.http://www.express.co.uk/finance/cit...00-fights-back they aint telling this on the tele.

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Cashy that is just what I was saying in my previous post......so Maybe, just Maybe Standard and Poor are wrong(again - let's hope).

I keep my ear to the ground and don't just follow what the popular media is feeding us.

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Oh i know Margaret, its for the people that just listen to the rubbish were fed on the tele news.;)

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Funny you should mention it ... just finished reading this:


Global markets oversold unless Brexit is a sign of something worse: Don Pittis - Business - CBC News

Don't agree with all of it ... but at least it appears as if the storm in the teacup is over and the fart in the spacesuit has dissipated.

Seems as if politicians are going to have to rethink the way they behave once in power. When Cameron allowed the Referendum to take place he opened up an immense can of worms. Seems as if the "little guy" will have to be taken seriously ... well, for a while at least; maybe a decade or so. Maybe what 17 million geriatric, racist Britons did will inspire voters all over Europe to use their power.:D

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I have a funny feeling that I have said something very similar somewhere in this thread.

The politicians of all shades have stopped listening to concerns of the electorate...they have marched ahead with their own agendas...thinking us too dumb to be able to think for ourselves...or see what is going on.
They have done the things that they tell us, are best for us without asking whether it was in line with what we wanted.

I hope that more people rise up and follow their hearts....or as you say Eric...use their power.

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If an MP receives support, financial or otherwise, from a Trade Union how will he resolve the dilemma of getting rid of JC when JC is supported by that particular Union?

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... and all this "racism on the rise" bs is really burning my ass. The media ... bunch of Frankly Unctuous (character in a book, for those of you who want to play around on Google) assholes, with mock profundity written all over their fake faces, inform us that incidents of racism are on the rise. No shiite Sherlock. Of course they are. Don't take much to get the racists going ... there was a massive spike in incidents over the Paris bombings too, and that didn't have much to do with Brexit. But the number of racists in Britain probably remains the same as it was before the vote. They'll have a little fling, and then settle down again. And the voices of those Britons who are not racist ... (about 94% of them; I almost said 95%, but nobody takes that figure seriously any more;) ... will drown them out.

Seems like racism and anti-Islam attacks are occurring regularly in places with absolutely no links to Brexit. The Aussies seem to be getting into it:

Bishop: Mosque attack politically motivated

Altho' it seems like they could use a few lessons in bomb making from the muslims (Politically Incorrect Humor:D)

And over here too:

Canadian anti-Muslim sentiment is rising, disturbing new poll reveals - Macleans.ca

Anyway ... that's enough ... gotta quit before I start using George Carlin's seven words.

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Wow! That was a good, something an old racist youth hating ill informed, ill educated make a protest voter like me, would never read.

According to the badly informed that sit in the palace of Westminster trying their best to make leaving the worst thing since man's ancestor's came down from the trees.

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Yes, I think we all are repeating ourselves more now since the results than before.
We have a result whatever point of view before we need to work hard together to bring positive results for all.

Perhaps it's time we started a new thread?
The title must be something positive, perhaps,

FORWARD AS A NATION NOT A CONTINENT.

or maybe,

WE'RE ALL OUT OF IT TOGETHER.

I really can't think of one at the spare of the moment, give me a decade of infighting and bickering maybe I can find something that will suit?

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Or it could be
95% OF US ARE INCAPABLE OF DETERMINING OUR OWN FUTURE.
that should provoke some interesting views.

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How about ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_kwXNVCaxY

Directed towards the EU, of course.

Oh, and I apologize to anyone's finding the pig offensive. I'd hate to be called a racist. And just in case anyone wants to point out that I'm confusing racism with islamophobia, I'm not. Well, maybe. But it ain't my fault; the terms have already been conflated (most often by muslims), or have become interchangeable ... same difference ... for some time now. I'm just gettin' with the program.:D

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The only offence I can take and believe me, I looked for even the smallest potential, was the use of apologize on a U.K. website!
:mad:

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Darn ... And here's me a thinkin' it would have been "towards";)

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Don't ask me I'm not an English teacher, unlike them, I don't know everything, though I know a politician that reckons he knows at least 95% of it all.

My apologies to the real Graham Jones. (Lt Colonel Graham Jones MBE).

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Just watched "The Big Short" last night. If you want the reality about the self-appointed Credit Rating Agencies take time to watch it.
It'll make you madder than a hare in March, or at least it should if you care about the way we have all been, are being, and will continue to be shafted by the global investment banks and their sycophantic agencies like S&M and Moody's.
Every time I hear on the Brussels Broadcasting Corporation that some foreign-owned investment bank is threatening to send staff to another country because of the LEAVE vote, I give a hearty cheer. Send 'em all to Las Vegas where they belong.

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The times i have heard that,is as many as the times they say after- we aint gonna send anyone.:rolleyes:

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and it is those same banks that lobby the big cheeses in the Eu so that the banks agendas are fulfilled.
Goldman Sachs fudged the figures about the greek economy when Greece was trying to gain entry to the Eu...had they not done this Greece would never have met the criteria for entry.
I don't think I could bear to watch your recommendation...my blood pressure would not stand it...and the TV might come a cropper.

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Was Carney still with Goldman Sachs when that happened? Odds on it'll be that or another investment bank he creeps off to after he's finished trousering his pay from Osborne.

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No. He was Governor of The Bank of Canada. He first joined as Deputy Governor in 2003.

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Notice once again "Obamas" sticking his oar in! and telling us and the E.U. how to sort the exit out!! never realised he was Ruler of the world.:rolleyes:

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Now be fair, there could yet be undiscovered tribes in the Amazon rain forest he hasn't felt he needs to interfere with.

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Aye only cos he dont know about em.

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The US national political system is almost designed to be gridlocked into inactivity. As a result many recent US Presidents seem to have had little ability to change things at home so they travel the world telling others how to behave and/or drop bombs on some of them when they don't.
Of course the founding fathers of the US of E got round that problem by making the European Parliament powerless, but well remunerated, so that it can't frustrate the unelected executive.

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Just thought I would pass on some good news...the FTSE is actually HIGHER than it was before the referendum result...shares have gained everything they lost in the panicky hours after ...some of them have even gone up in value.

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Yeh know we have been watching the news for a couple of hours now Margaret and that aint been mentioned once, what a shock,:rolleyes:

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Wouldn't it be grand if he took a year or so off to go look for 'em?
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Not sure Less, the 2 front runners fer the next un worry me even more than him.:eek:

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C'mon, Cashy, we can't be having the BBC breaking the terms of its charter by broadcasting good news for the UK economy.

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True they would rather show all the dickheads that cant understand democracy.;)

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"Westminster does not taken notice of the electorate" - a statement in the Observer this week. No prize for guessing who wrote the column

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Well our M.P.goes from Bad to Worse in my view, he has never supported the democratically elected leader, and in my view should NEVER again be re-elected,i never thought i would ever say anything like that, but its deserved.:mad:

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Yes, and the paper goes on to report the doom and gloom of the falling stock market...and the drop in the value of the pound...this despite the fact that the stockmarket and the pound have both got over the post referendum jitters.

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The media, especially the press, have never let the truth get in the way of bad news.

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No and neither does our excuse for a representative.

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Keep hearing about Gove saying we need a point system like Australia, well sorry NOT for me yeh don't, we need a government simply to stop any benefits for any that aint paid into the system simple as, I have nothing against immigrants, but plenty against FREELOADERS @ those that play the system, if they did that i'm sure only workers would come anyway, that system seemed ok to me when i moved to Spain.

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When i went to live in France some 12 years ago there were plenty of jobs - but, to work as a tradesman or professional, no matter what your qualifications, you had to sit the local examinations which were all in French. A friend who qualified as a vet in her native Netherlands, and who had practiced OK in UK was not allowed to practice without qualifying all over again. I am a qualified electrical/electronics engineer, specialised in radar systems - got offered a job on radar systems but very low pay until I passed the French exams. Didn't even consider it, did electrical installation jobs for mainly expats.
If all immigrants had to pass the relevant exams - in English, then it would be a much better system as no benefits of any kind if they weren't in work for a substantial period.

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It was just the same in Spain barrie, regarding benefits, which to me is the way it should be,;)

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Cashy waht about those who are born and bred here nad have never had a job to pay into the system?
I see the welfare system as a safety net, a helping hand......not a way of life.

A points system like they have in Oz would be a start(only let in those with skills that are needed - do not descriminate where they come from if their skills are right)...border controls like they have in Oz would be an even better idea...count them in and count them out...know who you have as visitors or residents in your country.
Our borders have been almost non existent and that is where the real problem lies.

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Count them in AND out? Count them in I can understand, but with the system we have who would be daft enough to leave?😨

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Those that are born here, surely have a criteria the same as ours to meet?:confused:

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What the hell's this horse manure going on in London? Bunch of yahoos marching with signs like "We Are the 48%". Could have put it: "We Are the Losers"! Seems like it's not only those clowns in Westminster who don't understand what democracy is. Or, in terms easy for the mentally challenged to comprehend: the team that gets the most points, wins. Simple. On CBC, one reporter remarked that the 18-34 demographic didn't have all that great a turn out in the vote. So if they aren't to blame for the loss, who is?

Hey. Here's a plan. Why doesn't Roy Hodgson ask for a rematch against Iceland because his team had an off day, didn't take the Icelanders seriously, and really didn't show up to play.:rolleyes:

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We voted IN.

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True Barry,you won,t get work in France,or Australia .Even to sell items in France you have to have type approval which costs approx. 140,000 euros per item,and as for the health card you might as well not have one,its a joke about free movement and work anywhere as far as the French are concerned.

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Any visitor to Australia...whether on a tourist or working visa is counted in and counted out........I appreciate what you are saying but if you are on a tourist visa you cannot work.
Maybe once we come out of the Eu that principle could be adopted here....if you do not have the appropriate visa then you cannot work or draw benefits.

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All very true, but, until the system changes why would anyone that has managed to get here want to leave?

Three bowls of rice a bonus ingredient from the odd cat, THIS TIME NEXT YEAR WE CAN BE OUR COUNTRIES EQUIVALENT OF A MILLIONAIRE!

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Just read the German Government are blaming "Merkel" for our Brexit.no shock yon?:D

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So it's not the fault of 17.5million British racists?[emoji15]

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Only to a large swathe of "OUR" remain voters.:D

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i heard this is true as all the leave voters put a little swastika in biro instead of a cross X

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It is a sacred symbol in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Odinism, and is a "cross" of sorts;)

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the sacred symbol go in the opposite direction to the Nazi cross?

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Not always, perhaps. Seem to recall seeing the symbol the way we recognise it in a Shinto shrine in Asakusa in Tokyo.

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Cameron seems to have gone very quiet,since we voted leave, would have thought he had servants to pack for him?:rolleyes:

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voted to leave the e u but have you signed the petition to invoke article 50 at
parliament.uk/petitions/133618