Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1165645)

It's never going to happen.

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1165645)

There are many blokes who can readily asses the facts, formulate an opinion & present a cognizant argument for or against dependent on their view point. Me, I am out & out "Out!" thank you very much, as previously mentioned I live in Germany & have done (from 1984 -93 with the Military & then officially as a legal civilian resident) since November 1993 up to the present time. As an "English European" I've happily wandered throughout northern Europe, seeing how others live, talking to various nationalities & garnering an insight into various mindsets of the differing nations. Some are rabid europhiles, others bemoan the loss of their previous way of life & all this due to the EU's one size fits all mentality. It doesn't work & can't work & will never work as long as there is such disparity between member states.

For the EU to work, all laws, taxes, language & standards need to be the same throughout the present disparate nation states, It's never going to happen. Wages in eastern europe aren't going to rise to the levels of the west & the west certainly won't accept wage cuts to the levels of the east & do you think the southern states will give up their lackadaisical work attitude for the Nordic/Scandic model of long hours & high taxes? No, the dream of an all encompassing socialist europe, governed by the benign leftist socialist marxists ain't going to happen, but the useful idiots will insist on persevering with their failed experiment, well why not, it isn't costing them anything & they'll be just fine & dandy regardless how much degradation the rest of us have to suffer in the massaging of their egos.

Just give me out any day of the week! It maysn't be the best option, but it'd be our choice, the choice to place an elected member & his/her party, that we choose to represent us, the best of a bad bunch most likely , but at least we can kick the muppets out if they don't buck up & work for us, something we'd not be able to do when being governed from a non-elected EU mandarin select allocated via cronyism.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1166051)

Oh, they will certainly be getting my copy back.

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 1166035)

OH, come on Rena....don't tell me that this is a surprise to you?
You really expected much and got very little(a bit like the done deal that David Cameron THINKS he's achieved).
Yes, and the 9million pounds it has cost is being paid for by you and me.(how much good could this have done if the money had been used for something worthwhile?)
There has been a petition online complaining about this. Our esteemed PM does not wish to debate the issue as he reckons a precedent exists......in that the last referendum was paid out of tax payers money. I don't know what the relative cost was back then, but you can bet your neck it was not in the region of 9million)
If we are going to have some kind of information, then at least it should be balanced out with equal space being given to the reasons why we should leave.

Being in the EU is like being in an abusive relationship...it saps your courage, saps your energy,saps your confidence saps your money. You think the partnership will change....and it will, but not in your favour.
WE really need to be OUT.

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany (Post 1166039)

I suggest you send it back with some comment or other, so the tax payer doesn't get stung again use this address

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here's what others are doing:-

The 11 Best Ways Britons Are Dumping David Cameron's £9M Pro-EU Propaganda Leaflet