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Governments decide on immigration policy, although I remember being taught that Queen Victoria had said all peoples of the Empire were her children.

The two groups were (a) EU immigrants; (b) non EU immigrants

Below are two sites for comparison - neither of which is the one I saw (and now can't find) but the numbers look about the same

Migration Watch UK | Statistics-net-migration-statistics

UK migration: What's really happening? - BBC News

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lol - I hope you feel better now?

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Won't that depend on whom and where we export/import things to/from?

Also any extra cost would be passed on to the buyer.

Exactly as it is now.

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Still not doing very well are you?

Can we get back to the EU yes/no?

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Excuse me? weren't you throwing in the 1947 thingy?
Now you make it EU? make your mind up how you want to play the game.

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Governments can only control those from non EU countries. We have no control over those who want to move here from EU countries...So in effect the government does not have control of its borders.
Turkey are being fast tracked into the EU.....this allows all of their citizens to have free movement in the EU countries.....including the UK.

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I would assume it to be negligible, as we've already been members since 75, all the relevant form filling & compliances have been achieved therefore the only additional guff would be due to eu spitefulness.

That said though, if they start jerking us about, as an independent, sovereign trading nation we could do the same to them & then some! As their need of us will be far greater than our need of them as we'll be opening trade agreements elsewhere & on our terms .......

Roll on "Out!", June 23rd.

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You only said that 'cos your a fella!

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So having plums makes you vote out then? :D Well we're half way there then, looking good for leaving the eu! ;)

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Don't mention plums, we lost most of the natural growers of such back in '74 now we have MEP'S telling us how many we can grow and what shape they should be if we want to put them into production!

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I'm saying it too......and I haven't got any plums.

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I suspect that if you put your mind to it, you could claim any plums you wanted, there wouldn't be a bloke brave enough to refuse you taking them as your own!
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Less, I am pretty sure you are right...but I would do it in such a way as to have the bloke surrender them gracefully and with gratitude to me, for relieving him of them :D
After all, they are only a burden.

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Congratulations you have been nominated for the AccyWeb 2016 most butch award.

To receive your exclusive pre-stained jockey shorts all you have to do is display your bank details below or vote stay in, in the forthcoming referendum.

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Wow! Are you seriously equating redtop reporting which lampoons a complete and utter moron with a scripted speech threatening the population of this country from the alleged leader of the free world??

Since you are being spurious…Let me pose an equally pointless question: How much extra paper and printing ink will be needed for this documentation? How many staples and paper clips? Will these items be produced in this country, and if so will this extra documentation create jobs?? Or will we need to create some kind of trade deal (see what I did there?)??? Will this paper be recycled? Will this increase the value of recycled paper and will this have a knock on effect in reducing my council tax because I recycle my paper?? Will the increased jobs create more tax and a richer country??.......etc….etc…etc…
Nonsensical questions are simple to create
Try looking at post 135 on this thread….long before you deigned us with your thoughts

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Ah....you have clocked my bristly chin then.....it is an age thing!
No Spanx Less, I do not require any prestained shorts of any description(I am sure I could find you a pair if you really wanted me to).......I definitely will NOT be voting to stay in the EU.....in fact I would walk over hot coals to vote OUT!

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I haven't seen or heard where our Head of State, or even DC, has made any statements about the US presidential elections, or Obama's failure to bring in his much vaunted Gun Law.
As to Trump, we may consider his rhetoric to be inflationary, but at least he hasn't been the subject of inquiry into real estate dealings like his probable opponent in the US election.
It is pure arrogance to interfere in another sovereign states political affairs - but of course he has been doing quite a lot of that.
As for his threat that the UK would be way down the list for agreeing trade deals if we leave the EU - well he won't be the President for much longer and when the US decides to use military power in the ME or anywhere else, who will he expect to be the first country to support them - yes of course he will turn to the UK.

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Thanks for looking thro' the thread for the link. Much appreciated. When I woke up to the fact that the Referendum vote was nearly here I did head for the accy web to see what was what. It's a long thread and I missed reading that page with the link.

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I don't have my ear to the ground anymore Margaret. These days I’m more interested in having my nose to the computer researching family history but I do sometimes catch a news nippet - but, as you say, you can’t trust politicians and commentators not to skew information to their own advantage. I will be voting as I think it important that there’s a good turn out at the polling stations.

I heard it mentioned that the alternative to the EU was the World Trade Organisation, which drew a snort of derision from another commentator who said it was a toothless old dog - maybe we should kick that into touch as well and save some more money.

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obama says we have to stay in the EU

his last bit of advice to the UK was to let more refugees in

clearly a president with his finger on the UK pulse lmao

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The snort of derision was probably from someone who thinks that the EU is the way to go. Someone who has a vested interest in the UK staying in.
If the UK decide to leave the EU, then it will give the nod to,other member states to follow suit.
Who is to say that a more equitable allegiance might be formed with other like minded states.
It is for sure that the EU has no intention of reforming in the way that our current PM hopes.....and they have admitted as much.
The EU need us to stay in more than we need to be there.

Will the WTO meddle in our affairs? Tell us we have to take in people from its member countries?
Will it saddle us with legislation which will tie up our traders in red tape?
If the answers to those questions are 'NO' then it would be better than what we have now.

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My dear old dad used to put me off the things he thought were no good for me by being derisory about them. I could not see it back then because I did not have enough life experience....but it was a very effective way of shutting down any discussion on such things. Derision works very well unless you can see it as a psychological ploy.

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Video - Australian Senator James Paterson makes passionate case for Brexit | Politics | News | Daily Express Same applies here as far as i'm concerned, sod all to do wi anyone else. but it just goes to show what the news dont tell yeh,

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This young man has articulated brilliantly all of the things i have been saying in my posts throughout this thread...along with others of a similar mind set.
I agree with every word he says. Thanks Cashy for posting that. It made my day(Ok I know it is relatively early but it did)

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No hype, no exaggeration, just his honest opinion and if the rest of the Commonwealth share such views about us we wouldn't have to fear a lack of trade, we would get an economical boost.

We would be foolish to remain 'in' when 'out' offers us such a welcoming attitude.

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Just to keep the momentum going, here's another couple of reasons to "Do one!" & get out of the EU.

Record levels of mass migration from Europe damaging UK - leaked Government report says | UK | News | Daily Express

EU members draw up plans for United States of Europe | UK | News | Daily Express

Oh & A Happy St.Georges day(for yesterday) to all you English out there, or not as the case was in barmy Bristol:-

Anger as council officials say UK city is ?too multicultural? to celebrate St George?s Day | UK | News | Daily Express

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Really! So Operation Iraqi Freedom was what?:confused: Self defense maybe? Fear that Iraq would use WMDs?:rofl38: And the Americans don't need your military help. They need your moral support. Moral support from Blair ... I'll have to think about that one. The Coalition of the Willing needed a couple of big names, other than Tonga, Singapore, Honduras, and the two-man contingent from Iceland. The Aussies can always be counted on; but having the Brits onside was a definite boost ... added some legitimacy to an otherwise indefensible cluster [deleted]:rolleyes:

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There was a guy from the Financial Times on Andrew Marr today, he said this 5-10 years is a matter of trying to frighten people nothing else, apparently Trade Deals "Always" take a hell of a long time to be agreed.:rolleyes: So the sooner his plane touches down in the USA the better imho

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Barack Obama is almost at the end of his term in office.....Who knows what will happen when the next President is elected.
He is not in a position to say...and did it not strike you that all his pontifications just seemed a bit erm...stage managed...scripted?
There is a picture of President Obama taking questions in a gathering of young people....what do you think is missing?
There was not one white face in the picture....might this have been stage managed too.
OK...I am off now to take another anti-cynical pill

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Just about everybody. She has made public statements very similar to those of President Obama.

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That is if she is elected. It just might go the other way(shudder).
America is really not interested in what is best for the UK.....only what serves its own ends.
We have to make our own decisions.

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We are supposed to have some kind of 'special relationship' with the US.(though I think it only applies when they want an ally)
They are supposed to be our friends.....I would think nothing much of a friend who considered their interests over and above mine if I asked for advice.
Did we ask for advice from Barack Obama? I don't think we did.( though DC might just have given him a script to follow).

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The only special relationship we have with the US is that they think that we are "Speshul" and are stupid enough to bend over for them to do what they want - anything we want does not get done.

Because we are their puppet, they want us in the EU so that we can still fight for their corner.

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Just been having a quick re-read of the thread,

the above is an wonderful example of what you can do if you can control your own borders.
If we were 'out', we too could interview people that wish to become members of our community this would give us control of our borders, we would only need to allow people and their families in if they were going to be an asset to our economy.

I'm sure someone will start screaming racist or some such term at me but you would be wrong, (after all, Jersey isn't being racist, just careful),
I don't care what colour or creed a person applying is, just so long as they are determined not to become a drain on our society but to help it improve they should be welcome.

What we don't need are unlimited numbers having to be absorbed just because someone else say's we have to.

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As noted on the radio this morning, if anyone doesn't believe Obama was reading a script prepared by Downing St lackeys, when was the last time you heard an American use the term "queue".

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That was my reasoning too....the americans do not use the word at all they use the word 'line'.
It is more of the stirring the fear factor pot by the Remain team.

I don't buy it...and it just a way of hardening my resolve to vote OUT.

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... ones, no doubt, which will serve only your own ends, without any consideration of how an "out" decision will affect an already fragile world economy, for example.

Several posters have pointed to Eurosceptic movements in other member countries. And the implication is that the EU is bound to fail whatever the UK decides to do. It might be in Britain's best interests to stay in, and, when the inevitable meltdown occurs, have some influence in piecing together what is left, and forming a new more sensible structure. Perhaps a purely economic union of the wealthier and more stable countries: UK, Germany, France, the Benelux, and Scandinavia. Ok ... take Italy too. They have great food and wine, and they make beautiful motorcycles.

Other posters have whined about how some EU members pick and choose which laws, directives, and other rules they will follow, while the UK obeys them to the letter. Well, what should Britain do about this?:confused: Isn't the answer obvious?

My opinion is that the EU is a good idea gone terribly wrong. It is time to dump the deadwood ... by the way, I read that Serbia wants to join up:rolleyes: ... surrender to the fact that one can not erase history, sovereignty, national identity, and, yes, patriotism, and get down to the business of creating an economic powerhouse. Sorry Serbia et. al.:D

By the way, Obama is President of the United States of America. Putting the interests of the US before anything else is his job.

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Maybe Eric out is best then, after the meltdown we can choose with whom we wish to make financial alliances without the traditional non and nein votes always blocking our path?

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I fall into several of the categories you mention....I have pointed out that there are other countries which feel the EU does not serve them well.
I have also mentioned that there are countries who cherry pick which legisaltion they will and will not follow.
I have probably said (in some round about way) that the EU will ultimately fail because of its lack of accountability and undemocratic configuration.
I make no apologies for these observations and would not for one moment call these observations whinging...or anything so negative. They are MY opinions......and to me are valid.

Maybe the fragile world economy has something to do with us being IN the EU.... the way the EU operates...the fact that we cannot trade with who we want....maybe leaving the EU would be better for world trade.

Maybe it is time to dump the deadwood(I hope we fall into that category...but I know that we don't)

Of course President Obama is there to look after the interests and the values of the US...as you say it is his job.
As it is the job of our PM to look after the interests of this country....at which he has failed miserably.
Barack Obama spoke today of his support for the EU and mentioned democracy.
The EU and democracy should never appear in the same sentence it is not a democratic organisation...it may look democratic, but it isn't.
Not when you consider that we cannot have any influence over those who make the rules...they are unelected and as such are not accountable to the ordinary folks.

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"The United States and the entire world needs a strong and prosperous and democratic and united Europe.'

These were the words that Barack Obama used.(the democratic in bold is my doing)

The EU is not democratic. The countries in it purport to be democratic, but all their democracy is wiped away by the adherence to EU rules which the people of those democracies have had no say in..

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Well i reckon its easy for people who dont live here, exiles or not, to think its ok in the E.U. but the fact is, they aint living it.:rolleyes:

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obama has been in germany publicly praising merkel for her open boarder policy

im sure the people of germany also appreciate his input

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Oh well thats same as America then.:rolleyes:

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yep obama is pretty much despised in the USA for his insistence of bringing in even more refugees and also trying to make it so illegal people in the USA can have a vote in the election

Donald trump has been such a huge hit with the American people simply because he wants to boot out illegals and not only stop refugees but send the ones back that obama let in.All of which i agree with and wish would happen here

sadly the nearest thing we have is nigel farage so dont expect anything any time soon

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Hey, that guy is like me, any photo opportunity he reaches for a pint, maybe he'll stop the continuous taxation on beer and fags? After all it is only pretend that they do it to keep us healthy, they just know we'll keep on using and they will get easy taxation.

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I see this was kept quiet by the "Remainian" MSM lackeys...

Politicians go head-to-head over Brexit - and Leave campaign wins audience vote | UK | News | Daily Express

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Just last week David Cameron linked up with a former union leader to go and talk about the EU in Brussels........that Union knob was Sir Brendan Barber. David Cameron wants to get the unions on the side of Remain.....this will mean he has a much better chance of being able to sit on his arsenal....do nothing, and when all the brown stuff hits the fan he can then blame it all on the EU.

I don't know if it is coincidence ...but the proposed union laws to restrict political funds has been watered down too......is this a sweetener to get the unions on the side of those who want us to stay in the EU?

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I think you may find we cannot leave the E.U. on a referendum vote,as Ireland and Finland found out a few years back.So our votes will be worthless,wait and see.;)

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I have been saying that since the start of this thread.(I will be very surprised if we actually leave.....I think if we vote to leave we will be sent away to think again and come back with the 'right' answer)
This is just a paper exercise....a sop by the political parties who already know th result.

However, the swell of feeling is growing in other EU member countries too. So who knows if it will start some sort of uprising.

The EU cannot prosper if it does not reform the way it works.

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very hard to reform corruption imho

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Yes, that is right...you cannot reform a corrupt organisation. One which has its own ends at the top of the agenda.
That is why we should get out....and if we are sent back to vote again and again, that would be a sign that there is NO democracy in the EU.....and that are wishes are of little interest to those who are at the top of this bloated organisation.

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Oh, yes, you can, it can be reformed by an out vote, we leave I suspect the other honest members will follow, we aren't the only ones being ripped off others would prefer a level playing field, one where we all work to one profitable aim for all members not just the members that are better at hiding their corruption and taking advantage of such foolish honesty as we always display.

If it's so important that we should remain it is also important that we remain in an honest EU not this one.

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Less, you hit the nail on the head there.
My point was, there is no possibility of reforming a corrupt organisation if that organisation does not WANT to reform...and it is plain from what has been said by those who make the rules, that reform is the last thing they want to do.(they do not want to level the playing field...they are quite happy with it being skewed in their favour)

I also agree that by leaving we are forcing the hand of current member states.
It may cause them to consider their position, and whether they want to keep on being dictated to.

I have not seen or heard any argument which has made me consider voting anything other than OUT.

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No coincidence at all. That's precisely what it's about. It may also explain the total about-face from Corbyn, who has ditched his and (old) Labour's opposition to the EU. But at least we all now know how much it costs to buy Corbyn a new principle.

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Just read an interesting post on another site, saying has anyone noticed that since the big guns have been saying remain, that the whole media has virtually stopped reporting on the "Migrant" crisis? I wonder why that would be? it sure as hell aint gone away, and before it was never off the news. the question was, have they been told by government to drop it for the time being? or have the media en-mass got together and decided it, cos they wish to remain? it sure makes yeh wonder.:rolleyes:

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Think that's the Badger right there! After all the kick off in Köln at new years, the GCP & Press were warned off plus local authorities were also given the Gypsies warning & all coming down from the murky world of Merkel!

So if it can happen in Germany ......

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Forgot to add the article :o

Top German Journalist Admits Live On Air National News Agenda Set By Government - Breitbart

Seem to recall a previous "Führer" applied similar rules.

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And suckers up and down actually believe these scumbags. The E.U. rules and they are too stupid to grasp the fact.:rolleyes:

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Something else the Remain are trying to hide from the electorate - it has been stated that the Chilcott Report is completed, however when attempts were made to force publication without further delay the establishment backtracked and then said that it wouldn't be ready for publication until after the EU Referendum. It does make one wonder what damning information it contains.
There is also the German plan to create an EU Army - under their command of course, which would mean our military came under EU control (German & French), rather than being an integral (and major), part of NATO.
Let me out, the lunatics are definitely running the asylum.

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Here we go, a Deutscher (obviously a nazi with comments like these) who'll have the raging lefties frothing!

Former Finance Minister: Migrants Are Drag On Economy

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Conversely, I would think the Remain camp could use that as a reason to stay in order to Veto any move where the EU Commission could make a botch up of the Defence of Europe. There are 28 EU members and 28 NATO members. If the EU member countries left NATO that would just leave the UK, Canada and the USA in NATO.

I've just had a look to see who are members of NATO and was surprised to see France is back in the fold as I know they left in 1967 to take control of their own defence, which was when NATO moved its HQ from Paris to the Netherlands. I reckon France has persuaded Mrs Merkel that the EU should have an integral defence force.

On the subject of France, I was speaking to a neighbour whose son lives in a French village which has recently had a refugee camp built alongside it to house some 4,000 souls. Apparently the villagrs are up in arms that it was built there but also up in arms about the manner in which their daughters and other women folk are treated by some elements of the male refugees.

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It is unlikely that many of the the EU countries would want to withdraw from NATO - they would lose considerable finance paid by the US to maintain bases and personnel in their countries and the defence umbrella would no longer cover them - The NATO creed is that an attack on any NATO country is an attack on the whole of NATO.
Cost is another significant factor - how much would countries have to spend on defence if they are without the support provided by the USA, UK and Canada.

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Well we were in Koln on sat dave, Bonn on sunday, spoke to quite a few krauts about Brexit, and most we spoke to thought "THEY" would also like to come out.;)

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I know Cashy, there's quite a few Germans who I've spoken with who'd love to see the back of the EU, Merkel put against a wall or strung up from a lampost & a return to the DM.

Did youse do the touristy bit round the "Dom" & is the Irish pub still round the corner from it? :)

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I suppose the bottom line is whether we want to be governed by twits from Brussels or idiots from Westminster. As someone who loves visiting mainland Europe I think I'll vote to come out. Certainly don't rate the EEC.

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noticed a couple of irish pubs dave at the weekend, god knows were they are though.:D:D Merkel was not very popular at all wi those we spoke too.

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The farce here is that Cameron offered this referendum as part of his election campaign..Vote for us and I promise you an election on EEc membership.Surely the thinking behind this was vote Tory and you brexit lot can have a vote to get us out..of Europe.

If he has such passion absolute staying in why offer the Brexit vote in the first instance He has conned the Brexit lot into voting Tory with no intention whatsover of assisting them..

My view is one on staying in but Thatcher style...For all her faults,everyone since her has let Europe Walk all over us..Weak representation in fighting our corner ever since her infamous No! No! No!shoe.or hand bagging thumping episode..whatever it was..Poland etc all fight for their own interest with a passion ..We nice Brits simply dont..

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Sorry, just dont get yer drift, they were walking all oer us when that bitch was in power, its nowt new.:rolleyes:

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The EU(not the defunct EEC) has abosolutely NO intention of reforming in any way shape or form.
The stance against the UK shows that most clearly....and as for the suggestion of someone strong to go in and do some table thumping....just who do you suggest is up to that task?
None of the current politicians in ANY of the parties has anything which resembles a backbone.
I am sure this is purely because it means much less work, less hassle and an easier life all round for them to remain as we are...under the thumb of those unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.
It gives someone to pass the buck to when the policies that they trumpet fail....someone other than their dim witted selves to blame for all the problems that THEY should be sorting out....that they are getting PAID to sort out.

The EU does not want a democracy...they want to be able to dictate terms and conditions and have us all follow like sheep(to the slaughter).
ENOUGH.....GET US OUT!

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Staying in isn't an option, Maggie nads or not! We've come to far down the line to expect any change or concessions that we really want or need the rot goes to deep. Out is the only way, we can then present our case for trade, migration & cooperation with other nations on our terms, take 'em or leave 'em! If it's not in our interests, well, we can go elsewhere.

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The EU are taking the pish. David Cameron is taking the pish......together they want us to believe that we cannot make our way in the world without the EU......what they should be saying is that IF the UK leaves the EU, then the whole sorry mess will tumble down like a house of cards.The EU was a political and social experiment that has long outlived its usefulness...it has become too big to be efficient, and it really does not care what the member nations want or need....it just lives to justify its existence....and to pay greedy bureaucrats and politicians vast sums of money for stuff that is of little consequence. It is a self serving organisation, badly run, badly managed and it is past the time to get out.

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If we do see sense and leave then within the following year I would not be surprised to see the EU really start falling apart with the SE countries, Greece, Hungary & Austria possibly leading the way.

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I can't see the weaker Countries being the instigators for a collapse, they rely to heavily on the EU subsidies to start kicking off, more likely the bigger economies who are left to stump up for the UKs missing contributions will be the ones with twitchy hoops & wanting to do one.

Still, what do I know, I'm just one of the uneducated plebs who doesn't know what's best for me or my Country! :rolleyes:

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That is what they would like you to think.
Don't play into their hands!

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No intentions too Ma. :)

Looks like I'll be sitting down with a couple of cool ones & some popcorn Friday evening & enjoying the flic. ;)

Brexit The Movie reveals terrifying TRUTH about anti-democratic EU | Politics | News | Daily Express

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I do not need any kind of film to determine wher I put my x.
I just hope that people will not be swayed by the scaremongering that has been going on for what seems like forever.
Because if we stay in the EU those promises that David Cameron holds so close to his heart will not be worth a sheet of Bronco.
He will look like a patsy.....and we will have been sold down the river to be a satellite state of a European federation.

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The main tactic of the remain lot is to SCARE people into staying, trouble is there is plenty enough thickos, that will swallow it, i fear.

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If you fear then perhaps their tactics are working?

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Thats exactly what i think.

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Presumably this includes the Labour In For Britain campaign launched by a gentleman called Jeremy Corbyn? ;)

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It certainly does, even Browns been shouting remain, its all about self serve. in fact i reckon Labour are even worse than the torys on this issue, even those that want to shut the democratically elected leader are backing him on this.

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It must be about self serve when a local M.P. stated that he would prefer to vote out but will be voting stay.
He hasn't yet explained why or to who's benefit it would be to vote against his 'better' judgement.

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Now Less.....don't you be holding your breath waiting on that one because I really don't think he knows what he means himself......other than perhaps, he was told to do it by the party.
The party seems to have much more sway than the constituents.

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It seems that the Remainers are being bank rolled by the likes of Goldman Sachs et al......you know, those guys who made such a bl**dy mess of our banking system....they seem to think it better for us to stay in.
They would wouldn't they.
The EU seems to serve the 1% elite best and they consider themselves to be in that group....so it is only natural that they would support those in the 'Remain' group.
Eurostar(French owned) is also supporting 'remain'.....so the French people are contributing to the campaign for us to stay in.....well, they would wouldn't they. If we leave, they will have to stump up more in the way of contributions.

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The same can be said of Corbyn, who has been a lifelong Eurosceptic, who voted out in 1975, who voted against the Lisbon and Maastricht Treaties and who has miraculously been converted to the Remain cause! Politicians, eh? Doncha just love 'em?

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Nope...it stinks of jiggery pokery to me.

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Well, just whiled away an hour or so watching "Brexit the movie", as a convinced outist the film merely reinforced my opinion. It's not an in your face study, more a thoughtful confirmation of the reasons why we should be voting to leave come the 23rd June.

Even the rabid remaniacs should have a watch, then seriously rethink what they consider to be the "Right way to go". Hopefully it may make a few waverers tilt in the direction of out, one can only hope so.

If you've a slack hour in your busy day, grab a brew of choice, sit down & have a watch.

https://vimeo.com/166389884

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Nice thought dave, but me grandad always told me= Yeh cant put sense were there is none.;)

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True! :)

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I am just getting a bit weary of all these big wigs being wheeled out to tell us how bad things will be if we take back our destiny.
President Obama(sending us to the back of the queue...when the negotiations for a trade treaty with the EU look to be doomed, so that's where we would be anyway).
Mark Carney...a Canadian governor of the Bank of England....he tells us that he foresees tough financial times ahead.....strange that he can forecast this whe he doesn't really know what effect leaving the EU will have - he can only guess.
Christine Lagarde(iMF and French) sees our prospects outside the EU as bad to very,very bad. Might she have an axe to grind to keep us tied in because that would benefit the French...has she got vested interests in the EU?
That is the question I ask myself each time one of these experts is wheeled out to give us what can only be assumptions....seeing as such a thing has never happened before, and as such is unknown territory.
I no longer want to be married to the Federal states of Europe...and there are more member states that would be equally glad to get rid of this bondage.

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Got a post yesterday showing the Norwegian Flag stating Norway has had 2 E.U. referendums in early 70s @ in 94, the public said NO Thanks were fine as we are!!! and funnily enough they ARE. Therefore i ask those who say remain, to tell us about the crap Norway have been in, in the last 40 years? cos i cant recall any being reported.

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No, they won't report that Cashy. It does not suit their purpose....which is to talk Dow the UK, to chip away at the confidence of the population.....the 'can do' spirit.
In the end all the doom monger ink is based on nothing but assumptions and conjecture....as I said no one knows how it will go as it has never been done before.

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Thats true Margaret no-one knows, but then i dont recall Norway coming to much harm for refusing to enter.

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Has anyone else noted that quite a number of decisions/implementations of EU law/policy have been delayed until after our June referendum, just like the Chilcot Report?
Could it be that information which has a definite negative bearing upon the BS being spouted by the Remain camp is being deliberately delayed, or is it just my cynicism?

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No, Barrie, it isn't your cynicism at all.....there was a report in one of the papers more than a week ago that the EU courts were going easy on the UK so as not to create animosity and provoke an 'out' vote.

I made reference to Christine Lagarde in an earlier post....she has been top nob in the IMF for quite a while now...she has made comments about the Greeks being in a poor financial state because they do not pay their taxes...while she pays precisely nothing on her salary(Hypocrite).

She is also a confirmed Europhile(so no surprise about the scaremongering she is involved in).....commenting on the state of the EU....she said ' it is in a better state than it has ever been'. Oh yes...and she and George Osborne are pals too...so she IS going to be spouting whatever these confirmed europhiles want to hear.....not necessarily the truth.
As for the IMF they have consistently got their predictions wrong in relation to the growth of the UK economy...so why should they be right this time?

I don't care what all these nodding dogs tell us...I'm for OUT.

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I'll be voting to stay in. I like the fact that thanks to the EU we have better rights for workers, take for example working time regulations and the chance to opt out of sunday working, paternity rights for new dads. These things might not affect a of of the older generation but if you work in retail it matters.
I like what I see of JC, he's an honest man with concern for real people at the heart of what he does.
I will now disappear whilst you lot all throw everything at me!:D

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Lindsay you are entiteld to your opinion.
I won't throw anything at you other than how I see things...and I have lived in the country before it was a part of the EU......so I have more to go on...more to make a judgement on.
I think the workers rights issue will not change......and to be honest I think that all the things you mentioned would have come about whether we were in the EU or not.
If you want this country to be over run with people who have no allegiance to the country, whose values are different(and not in a good way..ask the women in Cologne or any of the other countries that have taken many of the so called refugees)...then vote to stay in.
If you want laws made in another country....by people who you cannot remove because they are not elected by you...then vote to stay in.
If you want 350million pounds of our money to go to the EU EVERY WEEK...then vote to stay in.
If you want democracy in this country to be eroded still further.......vote to stay in.
If you want people to come here and drive down wages, take houses, use a health service for which they have contributed nothing.....have social benefits for which they have contributed nothing.....take school places so that parents cannot choose which school their child attends(because there are no places available) then vote to stay in.

If any of those things do not sit well with you then you have an option...that option is to vote OUT.

As to the point about Jeremy Corbyn ( I assume that who the JC is...not Jesus Christ) being an honest man......I am not so sure. He has never in the past said he was in favour of the EU(in fact I think he might have said or implied the opposite).....and in his endorsement of the EU in trying to get us to stay in...well, it was luke warm, muted, almost as if someone was twisting his arm up his back to say those things.....not in the least like he actually blieved them...now if he WAS an honest man...he would be saying exactly what he thought...and I do not think it would have been to ask us to vote to stay in

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as to the comment 'that is might not affect older members', well that is just not true.
Some older members are still working...and those who are not provide child care facilities for their grandchildren...this is something that enables those who work, to do so without incurring extra costs of child care
EVERYONE is affected by the insidious creeping control exerted by the EU.

Personally, I do not want to be a satellite state of Federal Europe.

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I would never throw everything at you but, I was allowed my first vote in 1968 when I reached 21 year's of age, I am now 70 years of age, (almost),I have voted in every election since. (always Labour).

My parents were members of the Independent Labour Party in the 1930/40s
if you google it you will find that they were a lot more left wing than today's Labour Party but I am sorry there is no way on this earth would I ever vote for a party led by a person that is more concerned with his own stature than the party. Your's as ever, Taddy

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By the way, I also will be voting to stay in, ask any ex service personnel, (not saying that I am)