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David Cameron has just said that he believes that Britain will be better off in a'reformed' EU, but everything that has come to pass so far shows that the EU is not only reluctant to any kind of reform, it is resistant to reforming.now the difference in the words reluctant and resistant might be a bit subtle, but they are the nub of the issue.
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I am glad he doesn 't do my shopping as I fear he would not know a great deal from a hole in the road. And yes, JCB....We are going to be fed this pap from now until the 23rd of June. It is going to seem like a long long time......and I can see me having to remove all heavy items from the vicinity of the TV screen...either that or find a dry cave somewhere. We are going to be told all kind of fairy stories about what will befall us if we put our x in the NO box.....Because it is far easier for the politicians if we can be convinced to this view. Coming out of the EU will take some brainwork...for which some MP's seem to lack the appropriate tools. |
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Its much about looking after yerself if yer n MP. seems to me they lose and then become upon an E.U. position, this has occured wi many, can people not see this?:confused: the general public do not matter one jot to these people,
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Whilst he may have an agreement of sorts it could all be rejected by any of the individual countries parliaments - after our referendum. Each country has, I believe, the power of veto.
In other words what he thinks he has gained could be rejected in it's entirety by any one of the other members of the EU so we would be in exactly the same position, if not a weakened one, that we have now. I already know which way I shall be voting. |
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I was annoyed last night watching the BBC news where they cut from David Cameron's speech in Brussels, to a bimbo reporter, in Downing Street who hadn't a clue about any of the details but waffled for a good few minutes anyway. If it was the final of Strictly or a mind numbing awards ceremony, the program would have been extended and later programs would have been delayed.
We are told DC has made a deal but the devil is in the detail and merely saying that in-work benefits are to be phased in is nowhere near enough information for me. I wrote to our MP (CON) asking if the same level of benefits would be paid to me if I was a migrant in any of the other member states. His response was to quote some bull**** EU directive about it being illegal to discriminate against a citizen of another member state. A migrant worker being able to claim child benefit for children who do not even live in this country absolutely beggars belief and the fact that we have to renegotiate such matters with a bunch of greedy bureaucrats proves just how much of our sovereignty we have given away to the faceless wonders of Europe. For a union of any sort to work it has to be a level playing field for all. The vastly different levels of taxation, subsidies and benefits proves that we are very much at a disadvantage. As for negotiating a better deal, they can't even negotiate a deal with Wales and Scotland where we are all on a level playing field. |
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In essence he went out and came back with nothing but horse feathers. If the British public swallow this as a deal, then they are far dafter than I took them for. We have gained nothing and in the process, I believe we have alienated other members.....and this veto would be their idea of 'socking it to us' No....let's get the hell out of there. |
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I lost count of the number of times he used the words "Reformed Europe" . That's going to be the mantra for the next 4 months . We aren't part of Europe anymore ......we are now in Reformed Europe . That's going to be the level of debate ......soundbites......no substance . I just want to know where I can get some information so that I can make an informed decision . The radio and TV just present the politicians , and I learn nothing from them . The newspapers just tell me how I should vote , so that's no help . |
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Just use common sense mate, many differing views why even bother? they will just tell yeh what yeh want to hear depending on their viewpoint, anyone can see hes come back wi sod all.
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This is a lot to ask of the general public, and very very many of them will find it difficult to plough through the bumf and cut to digestible facts.....but that is what is needed. You cannot depend on politicians or media sources to do this job without bias....it is not possible for them to be unbiased. Most people will go with their gut feelings.....and I think that many people will distrust what the politicians tell them. |
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It doesn't matter how many rose petals you put on a pile of manure...It is still manure, it still stinks and you don't want it shoved under your nose.
That is what this deal(if you can call it that without being done under the trade description act) is.....manure! |
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The EU referendum reminds me very much of the last verse of The Eagles song....
Hotel California. It goes something like this.... The last thing I remember was running for the door. I had to find the way back to the place I was before 'Relax' said the night man 'We are programmed to receive You can check out any time you like, But you can never leave'. That, in truth, is what the members of the EU are saying to us. |
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Cameron truly deserves The Dorwin Award. Watchman's Words: The Dorwin Award |
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Eric, I had not heard of these awards.
I reckon that David Cameron is a candidate. Yes, people will debate the deal as if it were something real rather than the steam from the pile of manure that it is. Thank you Eric, for again, furthering my education. |
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