Blanket Smoking Ban - Page 3

Less · 15-02-2006, 11:19

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Originally Posted by chav1

cigrette smoke is good at masking over other smells..

i cant wait to see the looks on these fussy bastards faces when they realise that people fart in pubs too

Yes, they do, but like the old miners lamp at least your ciggy lets you know when the gas is around it changes from a red glow to a greeny yellow flame!

pendy · 15-02-2006, 12:33

It's yet another example of Big Brother. The studies on passive smoking are seriously flawed - but of course one should only quote the stats that suit. I am all in favour of bars and pubs having no-smoking areas wherever possible, but there should still be a choice. There will be a backlash - how are they ever going to enforce it? - an already overstretched police force checking pubs for smokers? I doubt they can enforce a ban in private members clubs anyway. What price my office? - my boss chain smokes cigars. He owns the building. He owns the firm. What right has anyone to tell him what he can do in his own premises?

I have on three occasions almost died from allergic asthma due to plain ordinary table polish - and I am not exaggerating. I do worry if I am in a pub/bar and someone comes along with a polish spray or atomiser to wipe a table. Each time it has happened the reaction has got worse and the onset more rapid. I carry steriods permanently just in case, as well as an inhaler. I have to ask people not to use Pledge for at least 12 hours before I visit them.

For the first time, I find I may well be grateful for the swinging Human Rights legislation.

pendy · 15-02-2006, 12:34

P.S. For 2007 read "1984"!

garinda · 15-02-2006, 12:40

Supposedly from summer 2007 there will be £50 on the spot fines for members of the public caught smoking in pubs, and fines ranging from £2,000-£5,000 for the landlords that allow people to smoke on their premises.

pendy · 15-02-2006, 12:42

Yes, but how are they going to enforce it? Who is going to check? Will the landlord throw out smokers? - or is he expected to collect the £50 and pass it on? You can't get a policeman if you're burgled - it will be even more difficult when they're all in plain clothes, haunting pubs in the hope of finding a backslider!

garinda · 15-02-2006, 12:47

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Originally Posted by pendy

Yes, but how are they going to enforce it? Who is going to check? Will the landlord throw out smokers? - or is he expected to collect the £50 and pass it on? You can't get a policeman if you're burgled - it will be even more difficult when they're all in plain clothes, haunting pubs in the hope of finding a backslider!

There'll probably be a free hotline number you can call.

All the non-smokers that'll now be thronging the pubs, will just be able to snap you on their mobile phones having a ciggie, phone through your picture, and claim their community action reward.

garinda · 15-02-2006, 12:52

Where does all this leave Beagles?

Will they still be able to smoke at work?

Gayle · 15-02-2006, 13:09

I'm a non-smoker so I suppose I should be grateful that they've banned smoking in pubs but I'm not really. I think it's a slightly over the top solution to the problem - yes, pubs should have non-smoking sections but to ban it altogether is unecessary and unmanageable.

I don't go to many pubs these days but I certainly never object when people light up - I can always go and sit somewhere else. Definitely over the top and could be damaging to the pub trade.

Less · 15-02-2006, 13:17

Originally Posted by pendy
Yes, but how are they going to enforce it? Who is going to check? Will the landlord throw out smokers? - or is he expected to collect the £50 and pass it on? You can't get a policeman if you're burgled - it will be even more difficult when they're all in plain clothes, haunting pubs in the hope of finding a backslider!

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Originally Posted by garinda

There'll probably be a free hotline number you can call.

All the non-smokers that'll now be thronging the pubs, will just be able to snap you on their mobile phones having a ciggie, phone through your picture, and claim their community action reward.

Yet again they are putting the landlord under pressure (as if he doesn't have enough to cope with), a £200 fine for not displaying a no smoking sign & I think it's a £2,500 fine if he doesn't enforce the no smoking policy!

Good-bye staggers been nice knowing you, if the strain of no smoking doesn't kill you the fines will starve you to death!

shakermaker · 15-02-2006, 14:33

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Originally Posted by garinda

I've chased the dragon, and tried to roll a poncho into a spliff, but I've never smoked a blanket either.

seems we've got a resident pete doherty on AW!

SPUGGIE J · 15-02-2006, 15:33

Having skimmed the posts I agree that if a non smoker doesnt want to be in a pub, club etc that has smokers then fair do's the same for those that have allergies. On the other hand the smokers should be able to smoke if they want. The only answer is that smokers go to a boozer that allows smoking and non smokers to a boozer that dosnt allow smoking. The biggest loser in all this will be licencee's as smokers will be more inclined to stay at home.

Does anyone know an aproximate percentage of smokers to non smokers in a pub? Only ask because in a democracy is it not the majority that wins?
Do the MP's who voted in this know what their constituants wanted? Is it a true democracy or are we in a democracy determined by whims of the day?

Phylum · 15-02-2006, 15:36

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Does anyone know an aproximate percentage of smokers to non smokers in a pub? Only ask because in a democracy is it not the majority that wins?

Even when they are killing the minority, who, ordinarily would live a lot longer?

chav1 · 15-02-2006, 15:46

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Originally Posted by Phylum

Even when they are killing the minority, who, ordinarily would live a lot longer?

unless you drink in a smokey pub every day and for long periods of time i hightly doubt you will get cancer from a few hours breathing diluted passive smoke

anyway this law is going to be about as effective as the no mobile phone while driving law

now thats a law thats been enforced a lot

i am currently in the process of trying to give up but hell would freeze over before i told somone not to smoke near me unless i was in my own home where i feel i have the right to ask

as for people with alergies to smoke well tough luck ime alergic to cats and they havnt been banned so why should your alergies be taken into consideration over mine

ime surprised roy castle hasnt been mentioned yet..

well that sod wasnt content with breathing in smoke like everyone else and went on to use a trumpet to suck in more the greedy git and then had the nerve to whine about it when he got cancer

roy castle dead from 20 trumpets a day , now thats a record breaker

SPUGGIE J · 15-02-2006, 15:47

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Originally Posted by Phylum

Even when they are killing the minority, who, ordinarily would live a lot longer?

The majority could just as easily be non smokers. In which case the smokers being the minority are being persicuted the same as if the non smokers were the minority. Its such an imotive and heat argument that there are no winners just loosers in some cases.

chav1 · 15-02-2006, 15:49

less cigrettes been smoked = less revenue for the government = higher tax on petrol