Christmas Shopping Fireworks - Page 10

jedimaster · 23-11-2011, 22:54

this "suggests" that we should sit back and do nothing,

'if the government,the police n magistrates don't do a proper job, its unreasonable to me to expect people to do so'

i merely asked you if that is what you meant

shhould we sit back and do nothing and let hbc and the alcies and druggies walk all over this town or do we take the 'donkey by the ass' and reclaim what belongs to our fellow residents

cashman · 23-11-2011, 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedimaster

this "suggests" that we should sit back and do nothing,

'if the government,the police n magistrates don't do a proper job, its unreasonable to me to expect people to do so'

i merely asked you if that is what you meant

shhould we sit back and do nothing and let hbc and the alcies and druggies walk all over this town or do we take the 'donkey by the ass' and reclaim what belongs to our fellow residents

i answered that, then pointed out its obvious why folk may not do so, you don't like that fact, that aint my problem.

jedimaster · 23-11-2011, 23:06

change is never easy and some may say my views lean somewhat on a revolutionary bias but i truly believe that this town has great potential and that it should be harnessed for the benefit of it's residents and if hbc and the idiots that be won't do it then it's down to the people to make it happen. the greatest changes in this country have always been led by it's people and the power that lies within us. 'the times they are a'changin' and its people power that will drive it forward!

cashman · 23-11-2011, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedimaster

change is never easy and some may say my views lean somewhat on a revolutionary bias but i truly believe that this town has great potential and that it should be harnessed for the benefit of it's residents and if hbc and the idiots that be won't do it then it's down to the people to make it happen. the greatest changes in this country have always been led by it's people and the power that lies within us. 'the times they are a'changin' and its people power that will drive it forward!

nowt wrong wi revolutionary views, n admire yer standpoint, i had very strong views way back n did me fair share, but thats a younger persons thing, there weren't that many revolutionary owd farts back then n there won't be now is my view, cos 40 yrs on most changes weren't fer the better.

jedimaster · 23-11-2011, 23:25

oh i believe i can find a few revolting old farts

garinda · 24-11-2011, 07:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedimaster

no i simply speak my mind and i'm not afraid to do so i also take what people say at face value.

and i also stand up for what i believe is right if however i am proved to be wrong i will hold my hand up and admit it.

anyway back to the christmas market idea,

how much would it cost to commission the manufacture some chalets and would it not be presumptious to say that this cost would be recouped in the rental of these said chalets to the traders.

you have a year to research and organise this event so instead of saying it can't be done, use your noggin and prove to hbc it CAN

You keep mentioning 'chalets', but what the baby Jesus have Alpine wooden huts got to do with Accy?

If Accrington's too small to attract a commercial German Christmas market, who travel and transport their own stalls, and you suggest local charities sell (non-Germanic) things they've made, why are you so focused on Heidi style Wendy houses?

I think people are saying they'd appreciate a traditionally English celebration, hog roasts, mulled wine, mummers, roast chestnuts, carol singers, etc.

No one, when thinking about an olde worlde Englsh yuletide, first thinks 'Alpine chalet'.

jaysay · 24-11-2011, 09:05

Was watching an item on the news the other day about a German Market, can't remember where it was now, but I do know that the local traders were less than happy because some of their businesses had declined by 50%, the bottom line is people have only x number of pounds to send, if fancy markets were introduced it means that the pies no bigger just that more people want a slice.

Just as an afterthought, no input what so-ever from any of our elected members, funny that really

garinda · 24-11-2011, 09:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay

Was watching an item on the news the other day about a German Market, can't remember where it was now, but I do know that the local traders were less than happy because some of their businesses had declined by 50%, the bottom line is people have only x number of pounds to send, if fancy markets were introduced it means that the pies no bigger just that more people want a slice.

Just as an afterthought, no input what so-ever from any of our elected members, funny that really

It was the German Christmas market in Birmingham, which featured on the BBC news programmes.

All the local traders, the ones who pay their business rates all year round, agreed it increased footfall to the city centre, but they stated that in fact their takings were down, whilst the market was on.

There's only so much money to go round, no matter how many people there are flogging their goods.

Local traders in towns/cities which had German markets, waved off what would have ended in their tills, as the Teutonic juggernauts, complete with their chalets, headed off back to Baden-Baden, or wherever it was they came from.

jaysay · 24-11-2011, 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda

It was the German Christmas market in Birmingham, which featured on the BBC news programmes.

All the local traders, the ones who pay their business rates all year round, agreed it increased footfall to the city centre, but they stated that in fact their takings were down, whilst the market was on.

There's only so much money to go round, no matter how many people there are flogging their goods.

Local traders in towns/cities which had German markets, waved off what would have ended in their tills, as the Teutonic juggernauts, complete with their chalets, headed off back to Baden-Baden, or wherever it was they came from.

Well whereas it might be great for the Public to have the choice of a different type of market it shouldn't be at the expense of the trades already established in the area, of course the council spokesman waved the concerns away (its not near an election) saying it was great for the area, well not if your trying to make a living it ain't

garinda · 24-11-2011, 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay

Well whereas it might be great for the Public to have the choice of a different type of market it shouldn't be at the expense of the trades already established in the area, of course the council spokesman waved the concerns away (its not near an election) saying it was great for the area, well not if your trying to make a living it ain't

As Lancsdave said, their business opened the night the Christmas lights were switched on, and they took a tenner.

That's takings, not profit.

Lucky if they didn't make a loss, after paying overheads involved in actually opening up, lighting, heating, etc.

Many we have running our borough have a very poor grasp of the reality of operating a successful business.

Most would struggle to organise an erection in a brothel.

jedimaster · 24-11-2011, 10:23

the chalets were a single idea, the main point is a traditional christmas market, in whatever form it takes. an accrington christmas festival to be proud of.

garinda · 24-11-2011, 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by jedimaster

the chalets were a single idea

That's good Heidi.

You seemed quite fixated on Alpine chalets, when you were posting last night.

jedimaster · 24-11-2011, 11:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda

That's good Heidi.

You seemed quite fixated on Alpine chalets, when you were posting last night.

ok. collapsable,reusable generic stalls of no particular material, race,age,size,physical or mental ability or denomination then

Margaret Pilkington · 24-11-2011, 11:33

There is no reason why the current Market stalls could not be used for such a venture......at a nominal cost seeing as money would be saved by not having fireworks.

susie123 · 24-11-2011, 11:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

There is no reason why the current Market stalls could not be used for such a venture......at a nominal cost seeing as money would be saved by not having fireworks.

That is so obvous Margaret - at least they would be in keeping with a Victorian theme.

We had a similar thing when I lived in Warwick a few years ago. Stalls selling hot soup, mince pies, mulled wine, run by various charities, and a Victorian theme with a small fairground. The shops were open, even the estate agents!