Clare's Law -Pilot scheme

westendlass · 27-04-2013, 16:47

Just been watching Granada reports about a pilot scheme that's being run at the moment called Clare's law. Clare Wood was murdered by her violent partner, she had no idea of his violent past. One area piloting the scheme is Greater Manchester. The scheme allows people access to information to a persons past and then, obviously a choice. What a brilliant scheme, may save many lives. I have a daughter and I'm Damned sure I'd want to know about who she was with.

Neil · 27-04-2013, 22:37

Not sure what I think about this. Can you image what would happen if everyone in a relationship wanted a check on their partner. The Police would either grind to a halt trying to process all the applications or the system would fall over and fail. It sounds good at first but could be impossible in practice.

The scheme can also disclose previous allegations of abuse, even if they were not proven and did not lead to a conviction.

gpick24 · 27-04-2013, 22:56

Personally, I wish this scheme had been in place a couple of years ago.

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Originally Posted by Neil

Not sure what I think about this. Can you image what would happen if everyone in a relationship wanted a check on their partner. The Police would either grind to a halt trying to process all the applications or the system would fall over andprevent. fail. It sounds good at first but could be impossible in practice.
The scheme can also disclose previous allegations of abuse, even if they were not proven and did not lead to a conviction.

Doesn`t really need a police officer to look up previous convictions and would free up the officers who would normally be dealling with the domestic violence that this scheme would hopefully prevent.

Neil · 27-04-2013, 23:02

Still not convinced, sounds like a good idea but we will have to wait and see.

Does the other person have to agree to you checking on them?
If not how do you prove you are in a relationship with them and not just someone digging for dirt on someone else.
The disclosing unproven allegations is worrying as well, innocent until proven guilty out of the window

gpick24 · 27-04-2013, 23:13

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Originally Posted by Neil

Does the other person have to agree to you checking on them?

I hope not, cos only those with nothing to hide would.

Eric · 27-04-2013, 23:40

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Originally Posted by Neil

Still not convinced, sounds like a good idea but we will have to wait and see.

Does the other person have to agree to you checking on them?
If not how do you prove you are in a relationship with them and not just someone digging for dirt on someone else.
The disclosing unproven allegations is worrying as well, innocent until proven guilty out of the window

I agree there are problems. How can someone's criminal record be accessed? And if there are mental issues involved, medical records? I doubt if anything resembling full disclosure can be achieved.

On the other hand, police over here regularly inform a community if a convicted sex-offender is released into that community. Pictures and all. Not really the same deal, but similar.

I'm sure a system which is less than perfect, but still quite adequate can be devised.

But something has to be done. Too many women are dying. And kids.

BERNADETTE · 28-04-2013, 00:07

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Originally Posted by Eric

I agree there are problems. How can someone's criminal record be accessed? And if there are mental issues involved, medical records? I doubt if anything resembling full disclosure can be achieved.

On the other hand, police over here regularly inform a community if a convicted sex-offender is released into that community. Pictures and all. Not really the same deal, but similar.

I'm sure a system which is less than perfect, but still quite adequate can be devised.

But something has to be done. Too many women are dying. And kids.

You don't know how lucky you are with a system like that Eric. Over here offenders are just released into the community with no notice given be them sex offenders, murderers etc. Seems the public over here don't warrant any protection, that is afforded to the offenders

jaysay · 28-04-2013, 08:39

Just wonder how this would work with the Human Rights Brigade we have here, all these ideas sound great on paper, but like has already been said, how doe the authorities know whether its a genuine case or somebody just digging the dirt, or attempting to do so

flashy · 28-04-2013, 10:00

Only People who have something to hide will be against it, Its a good idea, but will it ever come into force?

jaysay · 28-04-2013, 10:31

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Originally Posted by flashy

Only People who have something to hide will be against it, Its a good idea, but will it ever come into force?

You can say that about compulsory DNA testing or Fingerprinting too, but it wouldn't go very far, maybe in North Korea but good old GB no chance

cashman · 28-04-2013, 10:35

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Originally Posted by flashy

Only People who have something to hide will be against it, Its a good idea, but will it ever come into force?

Its not really if it comes into force, its more it won't be implemented properly, Thats a knocking bet.

Margaret Pilkington · 28-04-2013, 12:26

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Originally Posted by flashy

Only People who have something to hide will be against it, Its a good idea, but will it ever come into force?

I'm not entirely sure about that. I have nothing to hide, but would not be in favour if being fingerprinted, having my DNA taken or carrying an identity card......I do not trust those who could manipulate these thing against us.

I would ask 'Who guards the guards?'
Our police force have proved that they can be manipulated and are not above suspicion, and would cite the Hillsborough debacle as evidence.

DaveinGermany · 28-04-2013, 13:15

I think in theory it's a good thing, but the actual actioning would be riddled with complications.

westendlass · 28-04-2013, 14:56

Surely there must be a way to implement this law. Anything is better than nothing if it prevents injury /death to another innocent person. These bullies need wheedling out, and if exposing them (If they have been convicted) is the way then tough. They don't allow their victims the courtesy of human rights. Personally, I'd like to think I'd deal with it with a midnight dance with a baseball bat, but that's just me.!

egg&chips · 28-04-2013, 15:12

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I'm not entirely sure about that. I have nothing to hide, but would not be in favour if being fingerprinted, having my DNA taken or carrying an identity card......I do not trust those who could manipulate these thing against us.

I would ask 'Who guards the guards?'
Our police force have proved that they can be manipulated and are not above suspicion, and would cite the Hillsborough debacle as evidence.

I don't think it's even necessarily about corruption either. Heaven knows the cock-ups that have happened with huge software launches by various govt depts in the past have been such debacles that a whole population database would have to be very carefully set up. I suspect that our friends from Salt Lake City may have the experience to do it but very high risk.