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Old 15-03-2010, 06:35   #76
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i dont know much about polotics but despite been a tory i do know that ken hargeeves did a lot for his constituants and have heard from many people how he helped them with many matters and gregg pope respectivly has the same reputation for helping out his constituants,

someone shoved into our town from another area renting or having a second home may not have our interests at heart except during a run up for an election where as a person who actually lives here legitimatly and has an established record for helping out our comunity will continue to do so and look out for our interests

to put it bluntly i would much rather trust somone local who has to live with us if they cock up than trust someone who can cock up and run off back home.The local person has more incentive to look after our interests
Don't necessarily disagree with you, but think a local MPs job is more than getting passport problems sorted , a good local politician doing his job knows who to phone about pot holes in the street or who in the Chief Constables office about local yob problems, but this isn't the job of an MP........
Think one question which should be asked of prospective MPs when they come knocking on your door is ........where do you prefer local youth in the armed forces to die .... Afghanistan (fighting the War on Terror and at the same time supporting the local Opium growers) or defending British oil interests in the Falklands/Malvinas against an Argentinian invasion ....... lets face they can't be in both places .
Maybe all candidates should produce their passports as proof of foreign experience , stamps for Juan Les Pins and Benidorm being exempt
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Old 15-03-2010, 08:37   #77
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OK , know I'm an outsider , but can anyone tell me what the "local lads" Greg Pope and Ken Hargreaves have actually done for the area (Hyndburn) ? how many jobs, private sector or Govt. jobs have they managed it finangle to the area through their influence at Westminster ,or any private members bills they have introduced (not supported) to better the life of "man-kind" . If I was voting for someone I would be asking "whats in it for me" maybe selfish, but my family come's first ,and sod the rest of the world , not my responsibility,
Greg Pope rebelled against his party, and the government, over the 10p tax change. Knowing it would affect the lives of the many low paid constituents in Hyndburn.

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Government defeats 10p tax rebels

When deciding who to vote for I honestly try and decide what I think would be best for society, weighed against the attributes of each candidate. I suppose that's sort of what you're saying in a way, because it's the society I'd want to live in, so that's similar to your 'what's in it for me'.

My grandad was a big influence on me. He was a staunch Methodist, and he couldn't see how he could be anything other than a socialist, if he truly followed his religious beliefs, even though the Labour party he supported taxed him at 95%. He saw it as trying to bring about a fairer society. I hope a little of his principles have rubbed off on me, even though I'm an atheist.
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Old 15-03-2010, 08:55   #78
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Greg Pope rebelled against his party, and the government, over the 10p tax change. Knowing it would affect the lives of the many low paid constituents in Hyndburn.

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Government defeats 10p tax rebels

When deciding who to vote for I honestly try and decide what I think would be best for society, weighed against the attributes of each candidate. I suppose that's sort of what you're saying in a way, because it's the society I'd want to live in, so that's similar to your 'what's in it for me'.

My grandad was a big influence on me. He was a staunch Methodist, and he couldn't see how he could be anything other than a socialist, if he truly followed his religious beliefs, even though the Labour party he supported taxed him at 95%. He saw it as trying to bring about a fairer society. I hope a little of his principles have rubbed off on me, even though I'm an atheist.
I'd just like to clarify, before some people start jumping up and down, shouting 'here's the proof he's a flaming Commie', that my grandad was only one influernce on me, and how I view politics.

On the otherside of my family, my Nan, who I knew for a much longer period of time, was a war widow, and relatively poor, compared to my dad's parents. Her own parents were socialists, and my Nan worked hard all her life, trying her best to bring up her daughters, with no husband, and with very little help from the state.

She became a Tory after Thatcher improved the lot of war widows, after the Falkland Wars. She also became friendly with Ken, Peter, and Jaysay, and saw how hard they worked for the people of the area they represented.

I loved all three of the grandparents I knew, and knew them all to be good, hardworking people, who cared about the society they lived in, even if they saw change being brought about by differing political means.

I think this is why I can say I'm non-partisan. That, and not always blindly voting for the same party, but deciding which I think is the better option at the time of an election.
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Old 15-03-2010, 10:24   #79
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I'd just like to clarify, before some people start jumping up and down, shouting 'here's the proof he's a flaming Commie', that my grandad was only one influence on me, and how I view politics.

On the otherside of my family, my Nan, who I knew for a much longer period of time, was a war widow, and relatively poor, compared to my dad's parents. Her own parents were socialists, and my Nan worked hard all her life, trying her best to bring up her daughters, with no husband, and with very little help from the state.

She became a Tory after Thatcher improved the lot of war widows, after the Falkland Wars. She also became friendly with Ken, Peter, and Jaysay, and saw how hard they worked for the people of the area they represented.

I loved all three of the grandparents I knew, and knew them all to be good, hardworking people, who cared about the society they lived in, even if they saw change being brought about by differing political means.

I think this is why I can say I'm non-partisan. That, and not always blindly voting for the same party, but deciding which I think is the better option at the time of an election.
I said I would not post on this thread again, in which I meant about the candidate because I have no interest. I did know Garinda's Nan very well in fact we were good friends and Joan and myself spent many a Saturday night sitting on the next table in Ossy Con. I can honestly say the only time I ever saw Lily without a smile on her face was at the cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday. I am also friendly with Rindi's Mother and sadly also with his late Father, two really genuine people. Unfortunately I have never had the pleasure of meeting Rindi, but have always admired the way he handles his illness more so since seeing the feature about Parkinson's on Granada reports. We may not see eye to eye on a few things, but that's where it ends, well it does as far as I'm concerned
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Old 15-03-2010, 22:47   #80
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Hi everybody!

This is Mossy here!

Just to let you know that although I may well be a Tyke/Cockney opportunist, careerist Tory toad, you people in Hyndburn will always be in my hearts, so much so that I have changed my name by deedpoll to Mr Tealeaf.

I shall now be standing as an indepependant Tory candidate.

I'm sure all your votes will be assured
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Old 16-03-2010, 04:04   #81
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This post on Conservative Home rather amused me (have highlighted the words that amused me)-

'Congratulations Karen. It is good to see the nomination stayed here in the north west.

Wish you had longer in your campaign to beat Labour there, after all they are a pretty ropey bunch the Hyndburn Labour Party by all accounts.

Best wishes and all speed to your victory in May.'

Now I have been called many things in my time - but wonder why the Hyndburn Labour Party are pretty ropey. Hope someone can expand on it, so we know how we can improve.
Ok hon, I'm reading this stuff for entertainment; but what is "ropey" eh? I suspect that it is not approbative. But what exactly is it?
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Old 16-03-2010, 05:13   #82
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seems to me someones gonna get eaten for breakfast if they want to come here and start name calling if "ropey" is the best they can do.

i wonder what they would pay for an insult consultant and if they would have some sort of expences scheme
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Old 16-03-2010, 11:42   #83
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why are you thinking of applying accyman?
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Old 16-03-2010, 11:53   #84
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That's now been taken off her website.

She must have popped her letter of resignation in the relevant letterbox, and is already living amongst us.

Wow, that was quick.
Since the pledge to immediately move to the area if selected as the Conservative candidate, has now been removed from her website, and which presumably means she's already moved here, I would urge us all to regularly check on our neighbours, especially if they're from outside the area.

Many of whom might be feeling alone, and vunerable.

Simply checking if they're okay might brighten their day, and show them we do care.

We could also offer to do a bit of shopping for them...if they don't know where the local shops are.
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Since the pledge to immediately move to the area if selected as the Conservative candidate, has now been removed from her website, and which presumably means she's already moved here
Great!...looking forward to pre-match drinks and a bit of banter with her in the Oaklea already!
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Old 16-03-2010, 12:24   #86
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This is the only post I will make on this thread, as I couldn't care less who is the candidate for reasons previously stated. If I had had a vote I would not have opted for Janet either for one reason, she never canvases, in fact she takes her annual holidays every year the last two weeks in April during the election campaign. Years ago when I moved back to Hyndburn after living in Haslingden for a few years, I was targeted to stand for election in Immanuel Ward in the 1988 local election, which I refused, due to my health problems, because I was unable to canvas and deliver leaflets. I was told that it would be done for me, I could just sit back and let others do the work. At the time I said if some one came knocking at my door and asked if I would vote for John Farrer my question would have been, why is John Farrer not asking me himself. I have no doubt that I could have done the job as a councillor dealing with problems going to meetings etc., but if you can't earn the right to undertake the job under your own steam, sorry your not electable in my eyes, its all about those principles of mine, this is another one
Although as you've informed us, the majority of the local Conservative Association have turned their backs on her, and aren't offering any help or funding, surely there must be one or two young Cameronites in Hyndburn, who'll go on the knock with her, and help with any lickin'?

Oh perhaps there isn't two, as you hinted when we discussed the sedan chair?

One?

Come on, we must be able to muster at least one willing sap.
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Although as you've informed us, the majority of the local Conservative Association have turned their backs on her, and aren't offering any help or funding, surely there must be one or two young Cameronites in Hyndburn, who'll go on the knock with her, and help with any lickin'?

Oh perhaps there isn't two, as you hinted when we discussed the sedan chair?

One?

Come on, we must be able to muster at least one willing sap.
He's in Hull, isn't he...or will term have finished by then?
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He's in Hull, isn't he...or will term have finished by then?

Who?

I was just hoping there must be at least one local Tory activist, not angered by the imposed candidate, willing to give her a hand.

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Old 16-03-2010, 13:36   #89
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Is she not being supplied with a car? Or do the local Tories think they'll have nothing to chau ffer it?

Bum tish I thangyou!


Oh beggar, someone's nicked my coat I'll have to work home in the rain.
Forget the sedan chair, it looks like it might be the limo after all. Hyndburn being one of the target, 'winnable', seats.


'The full extent of controversial Tory Lord Ashcroft's plan to buy the election has been revealed in figures showing a 6million cash injection for target seats.
Belize-based Michael Ashcroft, who refuses to say if he pays tax in Britain, is helping the Tories plough millions into campaigns in swing constituencies. The peer has given the party over 5million since 2003 through a firm called Bearwood Corporate Services.
The new figures show that 1.1million was sent directly to 56 marginals from Conservative headquarters, where deputy chairman Lord Ashcroft holds the purse strings, while 5million was raised locally by Tory activists.'
Tory Lord Ashcroft's plan to buy election revealed - mirror.co.uk
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I just wonder how many M.P.'s were brought up in the area they represent. After all, David Cameron himself had no connection with Witney (even though has a small cottage there now). Our own Arthur Davidson wasn't, and had tried for Blackpool South and Preston North before he was finally elected for Accrington (before Hyndburn).
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