Drug and Alcohol Dendency Unit on Avenue Parade - Page 2

Eric · 15-11-2008, 17:45

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Originally Posted by jambutty

Before you complain because of other people’s NIMBY attitude, consider what your attitude would be if that same facility was to be placed on your doorstep.

If you would be happy to have this unit next door to you or close by, then you have every right to criticise the NIMBIES.

But on the other hand if you would become a NIMBY yourself then it is outright hypocrisy to castigate others for being the same.

I do have a treatment facility on my doorstep ... well, almost; it's a 3 min. walk away ... an OATC (Ontario Addiction Treatment Centre) in a converted store on Princess St., Kingston's main drag ... I've heard no complaints about it. Also, there is a regioinal detox centre, generously supported by the Sisters of Providence, in a large Victorian house beside the Hotel Dieu hospital. No problems with this one either. It's in a mainly residential area, along with doctors' and lawyers' offices (appropriate perhaps.) There is also Street Health, where addicts can get their methadone, clean needles, condoms etc. Given the problem with substance abuse and all the etceteras, treatment centres have to go somewhere. The problem is not going to evaporate.

BERNADETTE · 15-11-2008, 18:03

On reading most of the posts I surmise that none of you have ever had a family member with a drug or alcohol problem. If that is so you should be very thankful because it could so easily have happened to any one of you. These people are not the scum of the earth they are people with a very real problem. A problem which is going to get worse unless the police come down hard on known drug dealers!!!
But as I said if you haven't been there you will never understand

And before anyone says it will never happen to any of their family I would say "never say never" it happens to people from all walks of life unfortunately.

Taggy · 15-11-2008, 18:05

I suppose i'd like to know the Real reason behind them wanting to put this unit in a purely residential setting. Does anyone realy believe that theres no room within either Accrington Victoria Hospital or the Two Brand New Health Centres which have only just been built at a cost of 17 million quid!! Assuming that this facility is desperately needed would'nt one have thought it should have been included during the planning stages of these facilities. Surely the unit would be better located within one of these???

Also, the local estate agents have been surveyed with regards to what would happen to property values within the immediate area of such a facility. The results is that every estate agent questioned has said that prices would fall by between 8% - 10%!! The East Lancs PCT have been made aware of this, but are unwilling to take this into consideration. I wonder if there would be grounds for a legal challenge if they decide to go ahead with this ill thought out plan.

Best Regards - Taggy

lindsay ormerod · 15-11-2008, 18:13

The rehab centre should be in one of the new health centres. Not rocket science, as has been said Avenue Parade is a busy thoroughfare for children on their way to and from Peel Park, and for secondary school kids on their way home,it's a long and well populated street. I work with people on these rehab programmes, some genuinely want to help themselves, so don't and just keep taking whats given, I also live in the Peel ward and as I don't own my house it isn't the worry of plunging market prices that makes me unhappy about this proposition, it's basically the wrong place for it. We have enough to deal with here already with the gangs of chavs hanging around the Spar and the various druggies and nutcases; on second thoughts, hand it over, room for a few more !

cashman · 15-11-2008, 18:14

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

On reading most of the posts I surmise that none of you have ever had a family member with a drug or alcohol problem. If that is so you should be very thankful because it could so easily have happened to any one of you. These people are not the scum of the earth they are people with a very real problem. A problem which is going to get worse unless the police come down hard on known drug dealers!!!
But as I said if you haven't been there you will never understand

And before anyone says it will never happen to any of their family I would say "never say never" it happens to people from all walks of life unfortunately.

well i have unfortunately, agree these people are not all "Scum" but some are, just as are some non addicts, thats life, but agree with polly in so far as these places though needed, should NOT be sited in residential places.

BERNADETTE · 15-11-2008, 18:18

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Originally Posted by cashman

well i have unfortunately, agree these people are not all "Scum" but some are, just as are some non addicts, thats life, but agree with polly in so far as these places though needed, should NOT be sited in residential places.

I am not for one minute saying it should be there, after all we have two health centres doing nothing as most doctors have not moved into them. But the centre is needed and wherever they go somebody will be unhappy.

Eric · 15-11-2008, 18:19

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

On reading most of the posts I surmise that none of you have ever had a family member with a drug or alcohol problem. If that is so you should be very thankful because it could so easily have happened to any one of you. These people are not the scum of the earth they are people with a very real problem. A problem which is going to get worse unless the police come down hard on known drug dealers!!!
But as I said if you haven't been there you will never understand

And before anyone says it will never happen to any of their family I would say "never say never" it happens to people from all walks of life unfortunately.

Finally, someone brought up this excellent point. Compassion and understanding has found at least one ally ... Karma sent.

SamF · 15-11-2008, 18:49

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Originally Posted by polly

My feelings are that these types of problems are not suited to being treated in a mainly residential area.

Exactly ! Avenue Parade is at the centre of the most densely populated area of Accy they couldn't pick a worse place !

Caz · 15-11-2008, 18:52

As Tealeaf stated, the Avenue parade residents suggested the Acorn Health Centre. This is also a residential area. Why do they think it should go there rather than in their backyard? These places have to go somewhere, and in the middle of nowhere is not a sensible option. Someone suggested Green Howarth...I'm sure the golf club would object!

MargaretR · 15-11-2008, 18:57

I visit the Acorn health centre for chiropody every couple of months.
It is a big empty white elephant and the area around is sparse on housing because they have mainly been demolished.

Caz · 15-11-2008, 19:00

On one side it is sparse, but the other side of Blackburn road isn't. And they will eventually rebuild on the demolished sites!

lindsay ormerod · 15-11-2008, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Caz

On one side it is sparse, but the other side of Blackburn road isn't. And they will eventually rebuild on the demolished sites!

Acorn is a purpose built health centre, Avenue Parade's ex doctor's surgery is a derelict, decaying aged building that needs demolishing, not refurbing, it's in the wrong place and not suited for the purpose. The town centre is already suffering from the preponderance of various "do-gooder" organisations ( I will say no more as I would be castigated for it) and this proposed rehab centre is right on the doorstep of the main culprits!.

derekgas · 16-11-2008, 08:19

I agree with magpie and polly, the hospital is the correct place, Blackburn road is definately not the place either tealeaf, that is also a residential area.

Mick · 16-11-2008, 08:38

The Acorn Centre is on Blackburn road the main road into Accrington.
It would look good for people visiting the area to see all the Alcoholics and drug users hanging around the street .
Also a lot of children catch the bus to school right outside the acorn center so they would be vulnerable to the drug addicts in get them hooked too.
The Acorn center is definitely not the right place.

derekgas · 16-11-2008, 08:53

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

On reading most of the posts I surmise that none of you have ever had a family member with a drug or alcohol problem. If that is so you should be very thankful because it could so easily have happened to any one of you. These people are not the scum of the earth they are people with a very real problem. A problem which is going to get worse unless the police come down hard on known drug dealers!!!
But as I said if you haven't been there you will never understand

And before anyone says it will never happen to any of their family I would say "never say never" it happens to people from all walks of life unfortunately.

I have had both in my family, who have fortunately come out of the other side ok, and agree that they are not the scum of the earth, many however have to steal to afford the habits, that is my basis for saying not in a residential area, the crime cont is likely to go up, and then with it, house insurance, car insurance etc.
I thought the police would sort out a problem I was in the middle of some years ago, sadly not, I sorted them out myself, at great financial and emotional cost.