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Old 26-02-2009, 21:49   #61
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have you ANY evidence that Andrew has abused his Mod power?

If not then why have such an issue with it. I know Roy would not put up with it if anything like that happened and knowing Andrew persoanlly I know he isn't petty or short sighted enough to do such a thing. whether you like his political views or not I find him to be an HONEST and decent young man.



I don't think he has done anything wrong here. Graham has left and created a huge amount of confusion with his posts hence my Qs to try and clarify it.

e.g. Graham quotes figure of 12 quid a month yet expenses show 1400 a year, these fiugures simply don't add up.
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Old 26-02-2009, 21:53   #62
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Far too many coulds in that sentence.
Even though we all often disagree with his views, he's well entitled to them.
I don't see how his moderator status is being abused. Until it is, it's a mute point.
Perhaps when he issues personal messages to members, telling them not to do certain things, he could perhaps tell us if he's wearing his moderator's hat, or that of an ordinary member.

So we can either abide by the edict, if it's a breach of forum rules, or in the case of his own opinion, we are then free to tell him where to go, without fear of banishment.
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Old 26-02-2009, 21:54   #63
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Perhaps when he issues personal messages to members, telling them not to do certain things, he could perhaps tell us if he's wearing his moderator's hat, or that of an ordinary member.

So we can either abide by the edict, if it's a breach of forum rules, or in the case of his own opinion, we are then free to tell him where to go, without fear of banishment.
That I would agree with.
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Old 26-02-2009, 21:56   #64
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Far too many coulds in that sentence.
Even though we all often disagree with his views, he's well entitled to them.
I don't see how his moderator status is being abused. Until it is, it's a mute point.
The word could is used because he is in a position were he COULD use it to his advantage, I hope he doesn't.
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Old 26-02-2009, 21:57   #65
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have you ANY evidence that Andrew has abused his Mod power?
I never said he has.
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Old 26-02-2009, 22:02   #66
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The word could is used because he is in a position were he COULD use it to his advantage, I hope he doesn't.
I'm in a position where I could throw my laptop at the wall to avoid reading certain members' posts. I hope I don't!
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Old 26-02-2009, 22:02   #67
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IMHO unless he identifies himself as a mod in his posts or PMs then he is as a normal member.

No one has ever questioned other mods views even though they have in teh past been controversial. why so with Andrew, is it because his are 'political' views as opposed to views about ' normal' life. If so then I feel for teh future of this country that people are prepared to fall out, not trust, change behaviour with a person just because they see things differently than you. isn't that where we were with systems like apartheid, racism, slavery etc. You can have views about something that don't fit with your friends without them getting in the way of friendship, respect etc.

Graham often quotes teh "Race to teh bottom" in his posts, I'd rather it be a race to honesty and clarity irrespective of what side of the red/blue line that falls then we as voters can make our own decisions based on fact rather than propaganda.
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Old 26-02-2009, 22:03   #68
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Perhaps when he issues personal messages to members, telling them not to do certain things, he could perhaps tell us if he's wearing his moderator's hat, or that of an ordinary member.

So we can either abide by the edict, if it's a breach of forum rules, or in the case of his own opinion, we are then free to tell him where to go, without fear of banishment.
obviously to more than 1 member.

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That I would agree with.
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have you ANY evidence that Andrew has abused his Mod power?
thats the grey area, you obviously have not recieved a P.M. were that issue is not clear, so ya would say that. i honestly am not sure.
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Old 26-02-2009, 22:06   #69
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Personally I feel andrewb has done himself no favours in this thread, yet again he has tried and failed to get the upper hand on g jones. I'm not happy with him being so bias against members of this forum and will be sending Roy a PM asking that he is no longer allowed to be a moderator of this site. I believe he could be in a position where he could use his moderator tag for his own gain, which under no circumstances should that be allowed.
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I never said he has.
but you feel happy to send Roy a PM to remove his mod powers based on no evidence or even any recognition that you even suspect him of doing anything wrong. so how does that fit with comon sense cause I find I'm struggling to work it out myself.

If you think he's done something then fair enough but be striong enough to say so, if not then why even think of passing comment.
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Old 26-02-2009, 22:12   #70
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IMHO unless he identifies himself as a mod in his posts or PMs then he is as a normal member.

No one has ever questioned other mods views even though they have in teh past been controversial. why so with Andrew, is it because his are 'political' views as opposed to views about ' normal' life. If so then I feel for teh future of this country that people are prepared to fall out, not trust, change behaviour with a person just because they see things differently than you. isn't that where we were with systems like apartheid, racism, slavery etc. You can have views about something that don't fit with your friends without them getting in the way of friendship, respect etc.

Graham often quotes teh "Race to teh bottom" in his posts, I'd rather it be a race to honesty and clarity irrespective of what side of the red/blue line that falls then we as voters can make our own decisions based on fact rather than propaganda.
Until very recently I've more than easily been able to distinguish between the official and the personal, from every single moderator on the site, when it comes to pm's.

After this week that is no longer the case, and if you can't see that you obviously haven't recieved such a messsage, one which is confusing as to it's status.

I took the risk of being banned, and hoped mine was a personal message of petulance, rather than an offical one.

It would avoid a conflict of interests if it was made clear as to which hat a moderator was wearing, when it comes to issuing demands.

Then there'd be no confusion.
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Old 26-02-2009, 22:17   #71
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funny how someone who is impartial n believes in free speech don't grasp that.
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Old 26-02-2009, 23:29   #72
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So you don't want to admit to being Andrew's mum, is he that bad?
No not the case at all. I just wanted to be honest, and im very proud of him like any mum would be but its not to be used in a un-professional way.
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Old 26-02-2009, 23:33   #73
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No not the case at all. I just wanted to be honest, and im very proud of him like any mum would be but its not to be used in a un-professional way.
Why is there a need to be professional on this board?
Any road - Andrew is a student, not a politician or any kind of professional just yet
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Old 26-02-2009, 23:36   #74
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No not the case at all. I just wanted to be honest, and im very proud of him like any mum would be but its not to be used in a un-professional way.
In what sense are you using "professional" ... does it have specific application, or is it merely a marketing buzzword .... used in the sense that automobile repair shops advertise that they have "professional" mechanics, as opposed to - I dunno - maybe hamfisted, low expectation, hamburger flippers who have never handled a wrench in their lives.
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Old 26-02-2009, 23:37   #75
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Why is there a need to be professional on this board?
Any road - Andrew is a student, not a politician or any kind of professional just yet
yeh aint the only one who thinks that shaker, has been mentioned earlier in thread, seems ignoring certain things runs in the family.
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