Getting rid of Tories ... - Page 4

DaveinGermany · 11-02-2016, 18:49

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

it takes a muslim mind to beat a muslim mind.

Or a big stick!

Eric · 11-02-2016, 18:57

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Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

Or a big stick!

Something like this, eh.

Unfortunately, the short version would not work.

DaveinGermany · 11-02-2016, 19:19

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Originally Posted by Eric

Something like this, eh.

Aye, that's the Badger!

Retlaw · 11-02-2016, 20:43

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Originally Posted by Eric

A convenient way of thinking, both for the Japanese and the Americans. Convenient, but wrong. Japan, with over sixty major cities already destroyed, surrendered because of the Russian declaration of war and invasion of Manchuria on August 8, 1945. Just because many people have believed the A-Bomb myth for 70 years doesn't make it true. This is not a speculative assessment; the minutes of the Japanese Supreme War Direction Council reveal this.

If that was the case Eric which as you say the Jap supreme ccouncil.
The first A boomb was dropped on Agust 6th 1945.
The Russians declared war on Aug 8th 1945.
Then there would have been no need for the 2nd bomb on Aug 15th, it doesn't take a week to wave a white flag.
And Manchuria is quite a few miles away, and how would they know how the Ruski's would fair in Manchuria.

Sounds like a bit of arse covering, and minutes of meetings can be written any time, and things added or left out,
I don't think they had tape recordings of meetings, nor is it easy to write japanese that quick whilst some ones spouting, did they have shorthand like we did.
I used to write munutes of union meetings, sometimes days later, from a few scribbled notes and memory. I know writing union meeting minutes is not as important, I'm using it as example of how written minutes are not always word for word.

Eric · 11-02-2016, 22:57

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

If that was the case Eric which as you say the Jap supreme ccouncil.
The first A boomb was dropped on Agust 6th 1945.
The Russians declared war on Aug 8th 1945.
Then there would have been no need for the 2nd bomb on Aug 15th, it doesn't take a week to wave a white flag.
And Manchuria is quite a few miles away, and how would they know how the Ruski's would fair in Manchuria.

Sounds like a bit of arse covering, and minutes of meetings can be written any time, and things added or left out,
I don't think they had tape recordings of meetings, nor is it easy to write japanese that quick whilst some ones spouting, did they have shorthand like we did.
I used to write munutes of union meetings, sometimes days later, from a few scribbled notes and memory. I know writing union meeting minutes is not as important, I'm using it as example of how written minutes are not always word for word.

August 15 is the date of the Japanese surrender ... the second and only remaining bomb in the US arsenal was dropped on Nagasaki on August 9. And the Russian invasion of Hokkaido would have been a snap. Most of the four million or so Japanese soldiers were deployed in the south to face the anticipated US invasion, which was scheduled for November. The Japanese were hanging on for a deal that would allow them to avoid unconditional surrender. The bombing campaign that brought Japan to its knees was primarily the daily strategic bombin using conventional ordnance. In purely military terms, the Manhattan Project was a inexcusable waste of money that could have been better used elsewhere.

Guinness · 12-02-2016, 00:00

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In purely military terms, the Manhattan Project was a inexcusable waste of money that could have been better used elsewhere.

I disagree, in purely military terms, it made Stalin stop at Berlin

Barrie Yates · 12-02-2016, 00:16

A Russian invasion of Hokkaido could not possibly have taken place in the timescale you suggest Eric. The Russian invasion of Manchuria was a purely land based conflict - Russia did not have the naval transports available for a sea borne attack on Japan and an airborne attack cannot succeed alone. Russia declared war on Japan at that time in order to share in the spoils of war. McArthur stopped that idea.
As for the nuclear weapons being a waste of money - there are still people around - a few allied ex-prisoners who would have died if the war had not been terminated as quickly as it was - they would give you a very good explanation of what it meant to them - and yes, I had family members who were captured by the Japanese and some of those died.

Eric · 12-02-2016, 00:23

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I disagree, in purely military terms, it made Stalin stop at Berlin

I doubt it ... and as far as I can remember the Red Army went well-beyond Berlin. The Line of Contact was on the Elbe. And in the summer of '45, the US and British forces gave up large areas west of that line so that the occupation zones would conform to those agreed on at Yalta.

Neil · 12-02-2016, 03:07

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A Russian invasion of Hokkaido could not possibly have taken place in the timescale you suggest Eric......

Were the Russians Tories?

Eric · 12-02-2016, 03:21

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Were the Russians Tories?

They were't socialists and they didn't have a true democracy; so, they must have been.

Barrie Yates · 12-02-2016, 09:06

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Were the Russians Tories?

And your point is?

Retlaw · 12-02-2016, 12:39

I've just been informed by Niel that I'm going to be banned for using **** I can't find where I've used them, can't even remember using them.
So it looks like its bye bye as Niel is on an ego trip.
Bet he removes this post .

Eric · 12-02-2016, 12:55

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I've just been informed by Niel that I'm going to be banned for using **** I can't find where I've used them, can't even remember using them.
So it looks like its bye bye as Niel is on an ego trip.
Bet he removes this post .

Not before some of us see it ... and I can't see how posting your PIN number can get you banned. Maybe, if your health is up to it in your Golden Years

, you could pay a visit to Effin, Co. Limerick.

See you on FB.

Retlaw · 12-02-2016, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Eric

Not before some of us see it ... and I can't see how posting your PIN number can get you banned. Maybe, if your health is up to it in your Golden Years

, you could pay a visit to Effin, Co. Limerick.

See you on FB.

Thanks Eric, see you on Face Book too, though I have been threatend on their too, can't realy remember why, sumat to do wi insults, that were a good one really because Dobbo & I have been insulting one another since the 1960's, wen e wur a copper int building next tut fire stn, sum folk can't apprectiate a good insult, especially all them wimin thad ave joined oer last year, thurs 100's of the split arsed wonders, 1/2 of them open thur gobs wi out thinking, and like nowt better than moaning about men

Margaret Pilkington · 12-02-2016, 13:47

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Originally Posted by Retlaw

thurs 100's of the split arsed wonders, 1/2 of them open thur gobs wi out thinking, and like nowt better than moaning about men

You talk about women grumbling about men....and what do you consider your post to be doing if it isn't moaning about women?
Retlaw you have been around long enough to know that women are a strange breed.......they were made to match men!