HBC have taken away the benches from outside the market - Page 2

jaysay · 30-09-2011, 17:40

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Exactly as I thought!

Never mind, we've a fair few members from Hyndburn's ruling party on here. I'm sure they'll explain.

Don't hold your breath Wyn, there's only one who will stick their toe in the water, if its not too warm that is

lancsdave · 30-09-2011, 20:17

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Originally Posted by garinda

I honestly can't believe H.B.C. have done such a stupid thing, and for such a ludicrous reason.

It would be more interesting to find out if the tail is wagging the dog in this one

Neil · 30-09-2011, 20:45

If people are drinking is this not a police issue?

I wonder who I talk to about re-homing those benches, I know a perfect spot for them

lancsdave · 30-09-2011, 20:50

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Originally Posted by Neil

If people are drinking is this not a police issue?

I wonder who I talk to about re-homing those benches, I know a perfect spot for them

I think I've asked before but at what point does the Market boundary become the public footpath. ?

Margaret Pilkington · 30-09-2011, 21:16

I read somewhere that one Conservative councillor stated that it was 'a daft move as the area is a no alcohol zone'.........but it isn't any good sticking up the notices and doing nothing about the people who are infringing the no alcohol law.
Start taking the booze off these folk and making them move on might be a better way.
The benches being moved is a 'temporary' measure to see if it makes any difference....or at least that is what I was told.

lancsdave · 30-09-2011, 21:20

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I read somewhere that one Conservative councillor stated that it was 'a daft move as the area is a no alcohol zone'.........but it isn't any good sticking up the notices and doing nothing about the people who are infringing the no alcohol law.
Start taking the booze off these folk and making them move on might be a better way.
The benches being moved is a 'temporary' measure to see if it makes any difference....or at least that is what I was told.

It was a no-alchohol zone when the Tories were in charge too, they did nothing either. People can argue it's a police issue but surely the council whoever is in charge should be pressing the police to sort it out.

garinda · 30-09-2011, 21:20

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I read somewhere that one Conservative councillor stated that it was 'a daft move as the area is a no alcohol zone'.........but it isn't any good sticking up the notices and doing nothing about the people who are infringing the no alcohol law.
Start taking the booze off these folk and making them move on might be a better way.
The benches being moved is a 'temporary' measure to see if it makes any difference....or at least that is what I was told.

Yes it will make a difference.

I'll make less trips to shop in Accrington.

The undesirables will simply find another place to sit. Such as by St. James church.

Or are those seats to be removed as well?

lancsdave · 30-09-2011, 21:24

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Originally Posted by garinda

The undesirables will simply find another place to sit. Such as by St. James church.

Or are those seats to be removed as well?

Correct, they do. Of course if the council is to be consistent they will have to remove those benches. Or maybe the council as such didn't make the decision

odders · 30-09-2011, 21:25

Has this thread merged?, cause I can see posts from 2 different threads. And does not read right...

DaveinGermany · 30-09-2011, 21:25

Seems to be a typically bureaucratic approach to things, despite knowing what/who the problem is the authorities take the easy option & pussyfoot around the edges instead of dealing with the issue (is it because they've got rights ? For some reason I'm having visions of Ostriches)

A link to the Criminal Justice and Police Act 2001 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2001/16/section/13

lancsdave · 30-09-2011, 21:26

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Originally Posted by odders

Has this thread merged?, cause I can see posts from 2 different threads. And does not read right...

It's been split from another thread

Margaret Pilkington · 30-09-2011, 21:30

Yes, G....I know it will make a difference to the people who need a sit down during their shopping trips, but I think the kind of difference they(HBC) are looking for, is to make it harder for the drinkers....or more uncomfortable for them.....so that they will be forced to look for somewhere else.
I suppose the peace Garden up Church Street would take them away from the main shopping area.......and if they went there, I would think HBC would see the removal of the benches as something of a success.

It is unlawful to be drinking alcohol in that area. The simplest way to prevent that is to ensure the area is policed, the law upheld, and those who are drinking alcohol are carted away.

odders · 30-09-2011, 21:33

Cheers, will now re-type what I wrote. Bloody good thing that preview post button. I thought the site was having a benny

And I had

, too much.

Thanks again.

Wynonie Harris · 30-09-2011, 21:39

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

It is unlawful to be drinking alcohol in that area. The simplest way to prevent that is to ensure the area is policed, the law upheld, and those who are drinking alcohol are carted away.

Exactly, and it's also a public order offence to use foul language. So why haven't the council made the strongest representations possible to the police to come down hard on this scum and make life so unpleasant for them that they don't want to come into town?

There have been two Labour councillors on this forum in the last half hour. Why haven't they appeared on this thread, explaining the thinking behind this move?

garinda · 30-09-2011, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Yes, G....I know it will make a difference to the people who need a sit down during their shopping trips, but I think the kind of difference they(HBC) are looking for, is to make it harder for the drinkers....or more uncomfortable for them.....so that they will be forced to look for somewhere else.
I suppose the peace Garden up Church Street would take them away from the main shopping area.......and if they went there, I would think HBC would see the removal of the benches as something of a success.

It is unlawful to be drinking alcohol in that area. The simplest way to prevent that is to ensure the area is policed, the law upheld, and those who are drinking alcohol are carted away.

The drinkers already occasionally sit on the benches by the church on Church Street.

They will find somewhere else to sit.

Innumerous times I've had to sit there, outside the Market Hall.

Well yes, whichever idiot thought that by removing the benches that it would make people magically disappear, you've half succeeded.

The drinkers will still be in the vicinity, but I won't be shopping there.