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Old 21-10-2006, 18:15   #31
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But have you noticed there's no Welsh representation on the Union Flag? This is because of all the subjugated nations of the Union, the Welsh suffered the worst oppression. Their language was banned, their landowners disposessed and brutal laws brought in to keep the people on their knees. Much worse than Scotland or Northern Ireland.

The British Empire was never actually superior. It was just more brutal than anybody else. In Kenya we killed hundreds of thousands in our gulags. In India we killed MILLIONS through starvation (made the potato famine look like the Irish being sent to bed without any tea!). That's how we established control. It's probably a good job we don't have access to guns the way that Americans do
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Old 21-10-2006, 18:38   #32
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The British Empire was never actually superior. It was just more brutal than anybody else.
Utter tripe. Have you never learnt about what the Spanish and Portuguese did in South America?
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Old 21-10-2006, 19:09   #33
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But have you noticed there's no Welsh representation on the Union Flag? This is because of all the subjugated nations of the Union, the Welsh suffered the worst oppression. Their language was banned, their landowners disposessed and brutal laws brought in to keep the people on their knees. Much worse than Scotland or Northern Ireland.

The British Empire was never actually superior. It was just more brutal than anybody else. In Kenya we killed hundreds of thousands in our gulags. In India we killed MILLIONS through starvation (made the potato famine look like the Irish being sent to bed without any tea!). That's how we established control. It's probably a good job we don't have access to guns the way that Americans do
its obvious you never had to learn this in school

Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
Half-devil and half-child.

Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain
To seek another's profit,
And work another's gain.

Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
The end for others sought,
Watch sloth and heathen Folly
Bring all your hopes to nought.

Take up the White Man's burden--
No tawdry rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go mark them with your living,
And mark them with your dead.

Take up the White Man's burden--
And reap his old reward:
The blame of those ye better,
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought he us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"

Take up the White Man's burden--
Ye dare not stoop to less--
Nor call too loud on Freedom
To cloke (1) your weariness;
By all ye cry or whisper,
By all ye leave or do,
The silent, sullen peoples
Shall weigh your gods and you.

Take up the White Man's burden--
Have done with childish days--
The lightly proferred laurel, (2)
The easy, ungrudged praise.
Comes now, to search your manhood
Through all the thankless years
Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom,
The judgment of your peers!

the guy who wrote this won the nobel prize for Literature

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Old 21-10-2006, 20:54   #34
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But have you noticed there's no Welsh representation on the Union Flag? This is because of all the subjugated nations of the Union, the Welsh suffered the worst oppression. Their language was banned, their landowners disposessed and brutal laws brought in to keep the people on their knees. Much worse than Scotland or Northern Ireland.

The British Empire was never actually superior. It was just more brutal than anybody else. In Kenya we killed hundreds of thousands in our gulags. In India we killed MILLIONS through starvation (made the potato famine look like the Irish being sent to bed without any tea!). That's how we established control. It's probably a good job we don't have access to guns the way that Americans do
Wales had no explicit recognition in the flag because Wales had been annexed by Edward 1 in 1282, and since the The Laws of Wales act and the ceding of Wales by Llwelyn ap Gruffudd, Wales was legally part of the Kingdom of England . The Kingdom of Ireland, which had existed as a personal union with England since 1541 , was likewise unrepresented in the original Union Flag.
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Old 22-10-2006, 09:55   #35
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Speaking personally, and as someone who embodies English, Scottish, Irish, Norman, German, and Roman bloodlines, I am sick to the back teeth of the chippiness of the Scottish, Welsh and Irish. I see no logical reason to harbour grudges and injustices that are hundreds of years old. I also see absolutely no need for successive generations to apologize for what at the time was seen as expedient or necessary. It strikes me that there are far too many people in this country and the larger world who see themselves as the hapless and unresponsible victims of some alleged outrage or other. I think that it is high time that a line was drawn under all this post-imperial angst and that we all got on with the issues that face us today.
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Old 22-10-2006, 11:58   #36
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Its easier to focus on the past than the present and the future. One of ourgreatest weaknesses.
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Old 24-10-2006, 18:22   #37
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our past is our future always come in cycles .
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Old 24-10-2006, 19:22   #38
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the guy who invented the code that germans couldnt use during the war...
Wasn't it the guy who solved the riddle of the code the Germans were using?
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Old 24-10-2006, 23:17   #39
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Wasn't it the guy who solved the riddle of the code the Germans were using?
Manchester based suicide victim and homosexual Alan Turing.
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Old 24-10-2006, 23:28   #40
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I think I'm getting confused , Alan Turing worked on cracking the German enigma codes and the Axis powers were unable to crack the US/Allies codes using the Navaho 'click-click' language, (think Nic Cage did a recent movie 'Windtalkers/Windwalkers about it )

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