If you had £33 billion spare?

[lancsdave]

Apparently the government say full consultations will be held. So is that waste of money in the original 33 billion or is it 'extras' ?

[cashman]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Apparently the government say full consultations will be held. So is that waste of money in the original 33 billion or is it 'extras' ?

Probably the same type of consultations as Accy Bus Station.

[Neil]

Consultations will never make every one happy, especially those that disagree with the outcome

[Less]

Originally Posted by Gordon Booth

Osborne is borrowing more money each month just to pay our way!
So we'll have to borrow the £33 billion as well.
It will only create 9000 jobs to build it, no one is saying the contracts will go to British companies employing British workers. The multi billion order for rolling stock went to Siemens in Germany so no guarantees. Still, it'll keep 9000 Romanians occupied!
The other 31,000 jobs it will create will be in running it and servicing it so no export wealth will be created, just more service jobs.

It's only History repeating itself, when the original railways were built it was by using Irish Navvies, so they can now claim that it's traditional to build using foreign workers.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

Consultations will never make every one happy, especially those that disagree with the outcome

Ya even now the hug a tree brigade are organising protests and delaying tactics which means when it does get the go ahead the cost will have spiralled to £66 billion and beyond

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Ya even now the hug a tree brigade are organising protests and delaying tactics which means when it does get the go ahead the cost will have spiralled to £66 billion and beyond

And the first passenger announcement will be,

'Sorry about the 15 year delay of your first superfast passenger service, it was caused by the wrong protesters on the line'.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Ya even now the hug a tree brigade are organising protests and delaying tactics which means when it does get the go ahead the cost will have spiralled to £66 billion and beyond

I have always thought that if someone is stupid enough to be in a tree that is being cut down if their own fault if they die.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Neil

I have always thought that if someone is stupid enough to be in a tree that is being cut down if their own fault if they die.

Me too Neil, but these people have rights ya know, covered by the Human Rights Act, should this be covered by this act, should it hell, nine times out of ten the rights of these people, trample all over those off the rest of us, its a total nonsense

[Less]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Me too Neil, but these people have rights ya know, covered by the Human Rights Act, should this be covered by this act, should it hell, nine times out of ten the rights of these people, trample all over those off the rest of us, its a total nonsense

Can't understand how protesters are a problem, just send in an elite squad of H&S inspectors if one of these guys can shut down factories employing thousands just think how a dozen or so could tackle the infringements caused by a few ill equipped jokers.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Less

Can't understand how protesters are a problem, just send in an elite squad of H&S inspectors if one of these guys can shut down factories employing thousands just think how a dozen or so could tackle the infringements caused by a few ill equipped jokers.

Ya Less and we all know where that will lead us, we'd end up with the Socialist Workers Party camped there all day shouting Fascist pigs and waving placards

[Margaret Pilkington]

Originally Posted by Neil

Consultations will never make every one happy, especially those that disagree with the outcome

It would be good to have some consultation though......and for the consultation to be transparent....with the criteria for responders being outlined clearly, and their responses available to those who want to view them.
For all we know, consultation could mean a show of hands in the offices of those contractors who are lined up for the job(and I know that is a stretched analogy).
Of course not everyone will agree, especially if you are the one who has their house devalued by such a proposal.....then you do need to see that the consultation was above board.

[accyman]

if someone is in a tree and wont come down just chainsaw teh tree down then frame the nearest woodpecker

[Neil]

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

It would be good to have some consultation though......and for the consultation to be transparent....with the criteria for responders being outlined clearly, and their responses available to those who want to view them.
For all we know, consultation could mean a show of hands in the offices of those contractors who are lined up for the job(and I know that is a stretched analogy).
Of course not everyone will agree, especially if you are the one who has their house devalued by such a proposal.....then you do need to see that the consultation was above board.

Here you go a link to consultations Consultations | HS2

[Margaret Pilkington]

That is how it should be done.......has anyone had anything like that for our new project in the town?

[Neil]

Did you read all the planning files linked on here? Did it contain and consultation information?