Insult to Muslims

[Barrie Yates]

Originally Posted by accyman

i dont see why they shoudlnt be banned as they have absolutely nothing to do with their faith its simply to show respect to their husbands so unless the husbands are going to start wearing them i assume it means they have no respect for their wives.

unless of course somone has an english translation from the quaran handy saying women shoudl cover their faces that is.

alas this topic has been talked about many times here and elswhere and as of yet we have yet to have any government to show any backbone at all and at least ban them in public especially when driving a car

If I remember correctly - the Koran states (bear in mind that there are so many translations of it, and it is all hearsay), women should clothe themselves modestly and cover their hair with veils, asathe sight of it can incite men to lust after them.
It is a long time since i read a translation of it so I may not be totally accurate - do we have any Muslin members who can tell us what is said in the Koran.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Barrie Yates

If I remember correctly - the Koran states (bear in mind that there are so many translations of it, and it is all hearsay), women should clothe themselves modestly and cover their hair with veils, asathe sight of it can incite men to lust after them.
It is a long time since i read a translation of it so I may not be totally accurate - do we have any Muslin members who can tell us what is said in the Koran.

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)

There's nothing in the Quran requiring women to cover their heads, arms, or legs. The edicts regarding Hijab were issued by later religious scholars. Just as many rules regarding Christianity came about centuries after it's founder's death.

[accyman]

Originally Posted by shillelagh

southpark has hit the headlines again ...

BBC News - South Park creators warned over Muhammad depiction

i dont watch it ....

good on em i hope they tell the moaners to sod off in much stronger terms its not illigal to draw a picture of mohamhead or even to poke fun at him its just that some decide to get excited and make death threats on behalf of tehir peace loving prophet

edit:

i didnt even need to read teh article to know violence was threatened

Islamists have warned the creators of TV show South Park they could face violent retribution for depicting the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit.

[DaveinGermany]

Not sure if you've all seen this or not, but it looks like France are not just paying lip service about an issue they're actually enforcing a law.

French driver fined for wearing niqab | Reuters

And just underneath the article there's this, quite an interesting attitude but if it'll take effect ?

France wants to apply burqa ban to tourists | Reuters

[accyman]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

France wants to apply burqa ban to tourists | Reuters

i dont see why they cant because every other law they have is applicable to tourists and if tourists dont like it they can sod off on holiday somewhere else.Besided whos really going to stop france because if europe says no france will stick two fingers up at europe and do it anyway just like they did when testing nukes in the sea lol.A tourist couple have recently been jailed for kissing in public in dubai becaus eit is illigal there so whats teh difference?

its abit of a poor do though isnt it when the french can get it right yet we cant

[DaveinGermany]

While local councils & Governments tend to worry to much about offending "Minority Groups" they are neglecting the vast majority of Christians, as far as I know UK is still classed as a Christian Country, so instead of worrying about the others what about the other side of the coin ?

Diplomat disciplined over Pope memo is named - Telegraph

But then again we tend not to matter, or so it appears ! How about a bit of balance ?

[Less]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

How about a bit of balance ?

Try saying that to Kev the Rev' he is big ot the moment and at least as extreme as any Mullah.

[Ken Moss]

I'm afraid the problems facing Hyndburn cannot be solved by daily prayer or smoothed over with 'God works in mysterious ways'. We need facts and figures, not blind faith.

I'm not knocking those who find solace in religion but it's the root cause of pretty much every war there's ever been and is no basis for a stable government.

Having read the comments of Mr Logan's flock, it seems that only the most devout Christians will take his party remotely seriously.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

I'm afraid the problems facing Hyndburn cannot be solved by daily prayer or smoothed over with 'God works in mysterious ways'. We need facts and figures, not blind faith.

I'm not knocking those who find solace in religion but it's the root cause of pretty much every war there's ever been and is no basis for a stable government.

Having read the comments of Mr Logan's flock, it seems that only the most devout Christians will take his party remotely seriously.

I thought I had said that in fewer words?

Originally Posted by Less

Try saying that to Kev the Rev' he is big ot the moment and at least as extreme as any Mullah.

Are you in training to be one of those long winded Politico types?

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by Less

I thought I had said that in fewer words?
Are you in training to be one of those long winded Politico types?

Ooh, get you.

I've had 32 years' training to get to this level, I'll have you know.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Ooh, get you.

I've had 32 years' training to get to this level, I'll have you know.

So, how long before you show signs of improvement? Entry level is a free pass!

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

Ooh, get you.

I've had 32 years' training to get to this level, I'll have you know.

And thats only level 1 Ken

[DaveinGermany]

The Burkha Ban planned for France has been further outlined in a leaked memo.
Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Men face jail over ban on burkha


Belgium are also a step nearer as its been passed in the draft form.
Unveiled - Belgium's burka ban / English News / News / Today / Start - Euranet

Also Holland one of the most relaxed & open minded Countries in Europe are making more noises. But of Course with all this "Anti Muslim Feeling" guess who's up on their hind legs threatening reprisals & the wrath of the righteous ?

"We will seek dreadful revenge on France by all means at our disposal, for the honour of our daughters and sisters."

Last year Al Qaeda vowed revenge on France if it banned the burqa on its streets. Islamic leaders have warned that a law banning veils in the streets could stigmatise Muslims and drive some to extremism.

Now there's a surprise !! Christianity is slated on a regular basis, Judaism also comes in for regular hounding along with virtually every other religion major or minor, but the followers of that faith just live with it, they don't go out threatening death & destruction to the detractors or their peoples. Is it any wonder "Extreme" Muslims come in for such critique ? Lighten up & perhaps we'll be more tolerant !

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by DaveinGermany

The Burka Ban planned for France has been further outlined in a leaked memo.
Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | UK News :: Men face jail over ban on burka


Belgium are also a step nearer as its been passed in the draft form.
Unveiled - Belgium's burka ban / English News / News / Today / Start - Euranet

Also Holland one of the most relaxed & open minded Countries in Europe are making more noises. But of Course with all this "Anti Muslim Feeling" guess who's up on their hind legs threatening reprisals & the wrath of the righteous ?

"We will seek dreadful revenge on France by all means at our disposal, for the honour of our daughters and sisters."

Last year Al Qaeda vowed revenge on France if it banned the burqa on its streets. Islamic leaders have warned that a law banning veils in the streets could stigmatise Muslims and drive some to extremism.

Now there's a surprise !! Christianity is slated on a regular basis, Judaism also comes in for regular hounding along with virtually every other religion major or minor, but the followers of that faith just live with it, they don't go out threatening death & destruction to the detractors or their peoples. Is it any wonder "Extreme" Muslims come in for such critique ? Lighten up & perhaps we'll be more tolerant !

Its a bit like the usual statement about reprisals because USA and GB are killing our muslim brothers and sisters, more muslims kill each other than anything else, look what Saddam did with the Kurds

[Ken Moss]

To judge from talking to people in the streets, immigration (illegal or otherwise) is the main concern for the majority of people.

Whether they are palatable observations or not, Muslims have made themselves a target for people venting their spleen by essentially making certain areas of this country unwelcoming to the British.