Labour Leadership Contest - Page 9

Wynonie Harris · 13-09-2015, 18:26

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Originally Posted by JCB

Just an observation......Denis Healey was once a member of the Communist Party......gave a strongly left-wing speech to the Labour Party conference in 1945.......became Secretary of State for Defence......became Chancellor of the Exchequer.......became deputy leader of the Labour Party.......in 2006 he said : " Nuclear weapons are infinitely less important in our foreign policy than they were in the days of the Cold War" and "I don't think we need nuclear weapons any longer" ...... in 2013 he said : " "I wouldn't object strongly to leaving the EU. The advantages of being members of the union are not obvious. The disadvantages are very obvious. I can see the case for leaving – the case for leaving is stronger than for staying in . "

That's the whole point...Denis WAS a member of the Communist Party, but his views changed as time went by; most people's do, due to experience, maturity, changing circumstances etc. Even Jeremy Corbyn's friends and colleagues admit that his views are exactly the same as they were when he was a young man; still the same old hard-left zealot. As for Denis's views on nuclear weapons, I was minded to think the same in the flush of post-cold war euphoria, but times have changed and the world's a more dangerous place, due to conflagrations in the Middle East (caused partly by ours and the Yanks' meddling it has to be said) and Putin's territorial ambitions. I wonder if Denis still thinks the same today? Totally agree with him on the EU, though, but what's Jeremy's view on this and will it matter when he's running for office in 2020, as presumably the whole issue will have been settled one way or the other by the electorate?

Eric · 13-09-2015, 18:43

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

hope triumphs over experience.

I didn't know that you were familiar with Boswell's "Life".

JCB · 13-09-2015, 18:49

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

That's the whole point...Denis WAS a member of the Communist Party, but his views changed as time went by; most people's do, due to experience, maturity, changing circumstances etc. Even Jeremy Corbyn's friends and colleagues admit that his views are exactly the same as they were when he was a young man; still the same old hard-left zealot. As for Denis's views on nuclear weapons, I was minded to think the same in the flush of post-cold war euphoria, but times have changed and the world's a more dangerous place, due to conflagrations in the Middle East (caused partly by ours and the Yanks' meddling it has to be said) and Putin's territorial ambitions. I wonder if Denis still thinks the same today? Totally agree with him on the EU, though, but what's Jeremy's view on this and will it matter when he's running for office in 2020, as presumably the whole issue will have been settled one way or the other by the electorate?

Jeremy Corbyn's views on the EU , Wyn ?

He says he is not content with the EU as it stands, but wants to stay to fight for a "better Europe". He had previously refused to rule out campaigning to leave.......so a bit vague .

He's not as positive as Alan Johnson who heads the Labour "Yes" campaign for the referendum .

Wynonie Harris · 13-09-2015, 18:52

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Originally Posted by JCB

He's not as positive as Alan Johnson who heads the Labour "Yes" campaign for the referendum .

Yep, I like Alan Johnson, but do I not like that!

Eric · 13-09-2015, 19:04

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Originally Posted by JCB

"I don't think we need nuclear weapons any longer" "

Neither do I ... tho' it ain't really none of my business; the brass to maintain this risible deterrent don't come outa my taxes. It certainly isn't deterring ISIS ... but the money wasted on nukes, or some of it, could be spent on building conventional forces, particularly rapid response. Let's face it, if it comes to a nuclear war those nukes of yours are irrelevant. The world will be so badly [deleted]ed over that an extra few megatons ain't gonna make a blind bit of difference. The frogs have been scaling back their Force de Dissuasion since '96. Maybe it's time. Maybe Corbyn has this one right. The apologizing to Iraq thingy seems kinda dumb. What does one say? "Hey guys, we [deleted]ed up big time. Sorry that we turned your country into a massive pile of shiite."

accyman · 13-09-2015, 19:58

now that obama has given a green light for iran to develope their own nuke program id say we need them more than ever

at the very least we could nuke them back if one of them has a religious episode telling them to nuke the infidels

dont like em and wish they had never been invented but we need them now they are here

cashman · 13-09-2015, 19:59

I suggest drop all ours on ISIS and then dont replace em.

accyman · 13-09-2015, 20:04

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Originally Posted by cashman

I suggest drop all ours on ISIS and then dont replace em.

was about to suggest something very similar

just a wider scope but over that general direction

Eric · 13-09-2015, 20:55

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Originally Posted by accyman

now that obama has given a green light for iran to develope their own nuke program id say we need them more than ever

This is the kind of misunderstanding of Obama's foreign policy that The Donald would come up with. Consider the alternatives to a negotiated arrangement: Doing nothing. Having another multi-trillion dollar cluster [deleted] in the Middle East.

It's a no-brainer; Obama is dead right on this one. And Congress seems to be onside.

accyman · 13-09-2015, 23:24

sory but i dont think Iran will keep to any agreement and my opinion has nothing to do with donald trump or even donald duck

even if Iran dont develop nukes i feel a lot better having them while other countries have them especially ones that go a bit mental when religion is concerned

Eric · 15-09-2015, 01:51

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Originally Posted by accyman

especially ones that go a bit mental when religion is concerned

That would be the USA.

JCB · 15-09-2015, 06:50

Graham Jones has resigned from his position as a shadow party whip .

East Lancashire MP quits shadow whip job over Jeremy Corbyn?s landslide victory (From Lancashire Telegraph)

MargaretR · 15-09-2015, 11:04

So he is another pseudo socialist who has no faith in his leader.
Rat and sinking ship are words that come to mind.
I expect that this new ship has a captain that can keep it afloat.

yerself · 15-09-2015, 11:32

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Originally Posted by JCB

Graham Jones has resigned from his position as a shadow party whip .

Jumped before he was pushed ?

accyman · 15-09-2015, 12:31

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Jumped before he was pushed ?

my thoughts exactly

looks better if you walk away than fired

from how quick the new shoadow cabinet was formed the decision was made way before the vote and im sure word got around westminster or at least the labour party what was happening

put as much spin on it as you want his days were numbered because he backed the wrong guy