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Old 09-11-2010, 17:26   #751
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May we enquire as to where you stand on this?
Oh I'm sure he'd miss it.

He's always to be seen in there.

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Old 09-11-2010, 17:27   #752
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To be honest Barrie I'll let you draw your own conclusions, I was merely quoting the Leader of the Council yesterday.

I share your opinion regarding Tesco and they are all widely regarded as instigating the death of the town market, no one is taken in by this.
Does your response indicate that you did not challenge the statement but merely accepted it.
If that is the case, why did you not challenge the statement?
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Old 09-11-2010, 17:31   #753
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Does your response indicate that you did not challenge the statement but merely accepted it.
If that is the case, why did you not challenge the statement?
In his defence, not that he needs it, but I don't think he's online, he only became elected to the council in May, predating the planning approval Tesco was given, by some time.
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Old 09-11-2010, 17:35   #754
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Old 09-11-2010, 17:37   #755
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If that is the case, why did you not challenge the statement?
From 2008...

All systems go for new Tesco - Accrington Observer

Although Tesco failed to come up with the correct number of local jobs promised, they did stump up the million quid bung, whoops, the 'one million pound for regenerating Accrington town centre'.

Was this figure, of a million punds, ever increased?

Perhaps one of our councillors could inform us of the amount Tesco donated?
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Old 09-11-2010, 17:56   #756
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Er...give us a clue, Miss Liza Goddard.

Accrington was never reliant on just one mill owner, or even just one trade, unlike some other places, so that can't be applicable to the logic or observation.
Oh Dear...now you are getting confused.

Your original reference was to that of the 'Truck' system, where factory owners paid their employees in tokens that could only be spent in the the factory shop. The first act partially outlawing this in 1725, followed by the major one in 1831 - that was under the reign of William IV. There were two subsequent acts in the 1880/90's but they were only clearing up odd bits.

So when Victoria began her reign in 1837 there was little left of trucking; growing cotton towns - and other industrial towns throughout the UK - began to develop their market centres. Accy market hall and it's immeadiate market area is a classic example of this; lots of competing stall holders . Practically every other town in England was the same.

I quote from you..'in the future, towns will become like the old Victorian mill towns, where the only shop was also owned by the mill owner. Who basically had their workers over a barrel, as they had no choice where to spend their wages, other than paying it back to the already wealthy industrialst's shop till'

No doubt some mill owners will have owned shops in Accy and places like it but by Victoria's reign most people were paid in hard earned cash and were free to spend it as they wished - and that is why Accy town centre developed as it did.

Garinda, you either need to take a chill pill or alternatively join the thread on floating lead coffins; whatever, please leave the history stuff to the experts.






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Old 09-11-2010, 18:20   #757
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Towns like Saltaire, Meltham, Bournville, Poundsbury, Port Sunlight, Copely, Akroydon and Creswell, etc., etc., all flourished at the height of the industrial revolution, under the reign of Victoria.

The workers were employed by the sole factory, paid rent to live in the houses owned by that one company, and shoped in the stores owned by that factory/mill owner.

The result being, there was really very little choice of option.

Anyway, Mr. Picky, we digress.

Soon this country will be carved up, and each area will have it's own superstore.

Result?

No competition, and therefore no choice, and because there is no one else, no real value for money.

Like it or not, most businesses in Accrington fear that by having a town centre superstore, such as Tesco, that it will adversely affect their trade, and could see them cease trading altogether.

There is only so much money to go around.

Superstores are fine, if they are out of town, and if people have so little time that they like doing all their shopping in one place, and all their money into the pockets of just one owner.
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Old 09-11-2010, 18:28   #758
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Garinda, you either need to take a chill pill or alternatively join the thread on floating lead coffins; whatever, please leave the history stuff to the experts.
Being so much younger than yourself, and you having kept company of many an old queen, perhaps even the great Queen Empress Victoria, herself. I feel suitably humbled by your greather historical knowledge.

Good luck in the Accy Web quiz.

God willing, with the right wind behind you, may you one day be lucky enough to win it.



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Old 09-11-2010, 18:38   #759
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'Chill pill'?

Who taught you that phrase, Plato, in his Academy?

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Old 09-11-2010, 18:39   #760
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Towns like Saltaire, Meltham, Bournville, Poundsbury, Port Sunlight, Copely, Akroydon and Creswell, etc., etc., all flourished at the height of the industrial revolution, under the reign of Victoria.

The workers were employed by the sole factory, paid rent to live in the houses owned by that one company, and shoped in the stores owned by that factory/mill owner.

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Yep..the likes of Titus Salt and the Quakers certainly looked after their workers. Subsidised superior housing, free education for the kids, healthcare...but no pubs. Still, they were paid in cash and they had the option as to spend their money in the company shops or not. And of course, they were an exception - no wonder there was a waiting list to join them.

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Old 09-11-2010, 18:43   #761
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Being so much younger than yourself, and you having kept company of many an old queen, perhaps even the great Queen Empress Victoria, herself. I feel suitably humbled by your greather historical knowledge.

Good luck in the Accy Web quiz.

God willing, with the right wind behind you, may you one day be lucky enough to win it.



Yeah..I certainly need it in the quiz. Maybe I should get a new mouse to speed up my reaction time in answering questions or maybe I should spend a few hours a day watching Corrie and similar rubbish and listening to earache in order to try and get half the questions right.
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Old 09-11-2010, 19:09   #762
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Garinda, you either need to take a chill pill or alternatively join the thread on floating lead coffins
Tealeaf, I hope you're not suggesting the 'floating lead coffins' thread is inhabited by some lunatic fringe? Unkind! Maybe true, but unkind.

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Old 09-11-2010, 19:19   #763
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Tealeaf, I hope you're not suggesting the 'floating lead coffins' thread is inhabited by some lunatic fringe? Unkind!
Certainly not, Gordon. But Garinda is a difficult man to put down. He's a bit like one of these characters in an Xbox computer game - you know the one I mean - the Cannibal Zombies. However much you blow them away and think they've gone for good then suddenly up they pop and wallop! They're trying to take a bite out yer leg. That's why I thought it would be better for him to go elsewhere just for a bit and see how he goes on with a few mathematical conindrums, instead of trying to talk about history - of which he knows nowt.
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Old 09-11-2010, 19:25   #764
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If you’ve never had the pleasure of reading “The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists” by Robert Tressell, here’s a succinct excerpt that explained more to me about how the world works than school ever did.
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...k.html&h=fe5b9

Think you will find this explains what garinda is saying.
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Old 09-11-2010, 19:32   #765
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I've just read it; can't see 'owt about Accy Market Hall. Is it in another chapter; if so, what page?
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