MPs Pay Rise

[GEaston]

I don't believe anyone on this forum is qualified to criticise Alan Sugar. He made the leap into his own business accepting the risks (only 1 in 20 new businesses survives the first year) and put his neck and finances on the line to do so. Being a CEO is not like any normal job. There are reasons why these people are well paid and it's usually tied to performance. In his own company, as was the case here, he created innovative products and literally thousands of jobs.

Congrats and thanks Alan would be more appropriate. I don't see him as greedy so much as appropriately rewarded for his contribution to industry and society as a whole.

[DaveinGermany]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

You are right DinG I don't see them whining or moaning but get real they do indeed bemoan their lot.
They've been moaning since Kiplings time and before.

Brit squaddie rewrites Kipling poem as attack on soldier?s lot today | The Sun |News|Campaigns|Our Boys

That's right, they'll have a gripe but in the end they knuckle down & get the job done! Like I said integrity, something politicoes have lost sight of. As to your comment "get real" D, I did, for a good few years which included NI 84-85 & Iraq 91, the original Gulf War, so less flippancy if you please.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

You are right DinG I don't see them whining or moaning but get real they do indeed bemoan their lot.
They've been moaning since Kiplings time and before.

Brit squaddie rewrites Kipling poem as attack on soldier?s lot today | The Sun |News|Campaigns|Our Boys

Well if a soldier does moan, could easy be about not having proper protective equipment,needed to protect life n limb, I reckon fair minded people would say, That moan is far more justified than some privately educated middle class twerp,moaning about the fact there expenses fiddle has been exposed. and yer talking about cheap shots D ?

[Guinness]

Originally Posted by Alvin the chipmunk

It's very tempting to indulge in populist "They're all liars and thieves" mantras. Those who spout this often state the same regardless of the sitting government and it's MP's. Up there with "They're all the same", which blatantly ignores how various governments have treated the North West.

Another chestnut is "People around here/Ordinary people only earn...... or What about (insert job here) who only earn......

Irrelevant cliches which are trotted out at any moment of government disapproval.

A CEO at a company such as BT, Virgin, Sky etc earns much much more than an MP. That's one CEO at a company which, in the grand scheme of things, is pretty inconsequential.

Now....imagine government is a business. This business is responsible for the well being of 60 million plus people including:

Education
Taking us to war.
Keeping the nation safe.
Healthcare
Transport

Shouldn't the people RUNNING OUR COUNTRY be entitled to at least the same as those who run ONE BUSINESS?

Experts in the above fields....the kind of brains we want running the country, have no incentive to on the relative pittance our representatives get in relation to their international counterparts. Why become an MP when you can make much more for much less work in your particular field or business?

Also as has previously been mentioned....the leader of Lancs County Council gets more than an MP. As does our useless new Crime Commissioner.

Love it when someone uses cliches and chestnuts as an argument and then justifies their own argument with opposing cliches and chestnuts.

You tell me..what evidence do you have to show that Graham Jones (just using him as an example here) has the brains to run a business dealing with Education, War, Defence, Health and Transport, thus justifying a pay hike. Bear in mind he's only there because he won a popularity contest.

I'd also like you to justify why Gordon Brown, who has attended only 2 or 3 sessions since losing the last election should have a 10k pay rise.

Crossed swords with a couple of councillors on here, I may not agree with their politics but I respect what they are trying to achieve becuase they are, in the main, in it for altruistic reasons and I don't begrudge them a penny...I most definitely cannot say the same for career politicians.

Oh and who came up with the idea for 'our useless new Crime Comissioner'....wouldn't happen to be politicians looking to add more positions on the political gravy train would it?

I have an idea, lets means test politicians....we'll start wages at £200k per year and lower it according to other income sources, savings, property etc..etc...that would sort the genuine from the scroungers, wouldn't it?

[Margaret Pilkington]

Politicians never ever come out of a political career broke.
When someone goes into a job or career for the money - they are doing it for the wrong reason.
Politicians often have more than one job...When I was working (as a Nurse - Senior Sister) I hadn't the energy or the time to do any other job.
I knew what I was taking on when I went into my career, the unsocial hours, time away from my family at Christmas, the inability to go to some social event(wedding, celebrations) because of duty requirements.
I certainly didn't do it for the money. I did it because I enjoyed looking after people - making a difference.
And while I would not have done it for no pay - I took the low pay(the pay was much lower back then) because I considered the enjoyment of my daily work to be a bonus that some people never have.

[Less]

Originally Posted by Guinness

I have an idea, lets means test politicians....we'll start wages at £200k per year and lower it according to other income sources, savings, property etc..etc...that would sort the genuine from the scroungers, wouldn't it?

It wouldn't work, their accountants would see to that.

[DtheP47]

Originally Posted by cashman

Well if a soldier does moan, could easy be about not having proper protective equipment,needed to protect life n limb, I reckon fair minded people would say, That moan is far more justified than some privately educated middle class twerp,moaning about the fact there expenses fiddle has been exposed. and yer talking about cheap shots D ?

Whoooa Mr C
I didn’t bring the noble squaddie onto this thread, I replied to DinG because it's not comparing apples with apples in my book any more than citing Nurses or Firemen too.
I think our elected Member deserve a payrise some agree, some don’t, that’s all in the mix.

A payrise for the Forces now that’s another matter and it probably needs taking off thread so that the healthy/pithy debate on the original subject matter doesn’t get diluted.

[Less]

Originally Posted by GEaston

I don't believe anyone on this forum is qualified to criticise Alan Sugar.

You are possibly correct, but belief isn't proof, so if a member of this site (including you), wishes to put forward their opinion about Mr. Sugar so long as it isn't slanderous then they can do so.
After all you have put forward opinions about this site and it's members without any proof that you are qualified to do so.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by DtheP47

Whoooa Mr C
I didn’t bring the noble squaddie onto this thread, I replied to DinG because it's not comparing apples with apples in my book any more than citing Nurses or Firemen too.
I think our elected Member deserve a payrise some agree, some don’t, that’s all in the mix.

A payrise for the Forces now that’s another matter and it probably needs taking off thread so that the healthy/pithy debate on the original subject matter doesn’t get diluted.

Whoooa yerself "D" yeh said they did moan n had been moaning since Kiplings time! I simply compared the moans by me own standards. Responding to DinG or not, yeh provided a link to enhance yer point.

[GEaston]

That's my opinion Less, I expressed it.

[Less]

Originally Posted by GEaston

That's my opinion Less, I expressed it.

Indeed you did and I feel qualified enough to reply, no matter what conclusions you may have jumped too.

[accyman]

i poste dteh alan sugar video co it was funny

hes liek a rich version of less

grumpy and no time for stoopid questions

the look alike as well

i think i just slandered one of em but not sure which ....

[Less]

Originally Posted by accyman

i poste dteh alan sugar video co it was funny

hes liek a rich version of less

grumpy and no time for stoopid questions

the look alike as well

i think i just slandered one of em but not sure which ....

do you mean rich as in money rich or rich is in how the heck has that guy got the nerve type rich?

As for slandering someone, it was me, but you're safe, I can't afford to take you to court. (or can I?).

[Boeing Guy]

Originally Posted by GEaston

I don't believe anyone on this forum is qualified to criticise Alan Sugar. He made the leap into his own business accepting the risks (only 1 in 20 new businesses survives the first year) and put his neck and finances on the line to do so. Being a CEO is not like any normal job. There are reasons why these people are well paid and it's usually tied to performance. In his own company, as was the case here, he created innovative products and literally thousands of jobs.

Congrats and thanks Alan would be more appropriate. I don't see him as greedy so much as appropriately rewarded for his contribution to industry and society as a whole.

Well I happen to like Lord Sugar, he certainly knows his market, selling low end stereo's, cheap VCR's even cheaper computers and more recently my damned sky HD box, which works when it wants.
I would not say his products are innovative, I have spent my life involved in innovation and my family have done rather well in their prospective markets manufacturing innovative products.
But this is not about him, he has chosen to give something back and good to him, he does a lot for Great Ormond Street Hospital.

Our elected representative's are full of themselves, it is a shame they are only prepared to feather their own beds

[cashman]

I like the fact Suger don't take crap off no-one.