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Old 10-04-2015, 10:18   #31
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Re: Parliament needs to reflect the people it represents.

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Instead of posting rubbish why not explain how you are going to change anything at all by not voting?
iv got a suggestion but i think they upgraded security since guy fawkes had a go at making a change
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Old 10-04-2015, 11:23   #32
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Instead of posting rubbish why not explain how you are going to change anything at all by not voting?
It's only "rubbish" to those blinded by the illusion

Take a moment (before voting) to have a read of this:-

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Old 10-04-2015, 12:01   #33
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other countries simply sling corrupt governments into the street or in some cases execute them

i think were a long way off that happening

but fingers crossed like
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Old 11-04-2015, 16:17   #34
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Re: Parliament needs to reflect the people it represents.

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It's only "rubbish" to those blinded by the illusion

Take a moment (before voting) to have a read of this:-

You've Got to Stop Voting - by Mark E. Smith | FUBAR AND GRILL
I got bored when I read the bit about SOuth Africa. I'm not convinced the country is better now than it was
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Old 11-04-2015, 18:07   #35
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I got bored when I read the bit about SOuth Africa. I'm not convinced the country is better now than it was
I have been there quite a number of times over the last 25 years or so, and have family in Cape Town. Most things have deteriorated, electricity brown and black outs, Post Offices with only one person on the counter instead of the five or six as it used to be, gun fire between taxi/bus operators, rising crime, water shortages, crime escalated, nowhere near as pleasant a country as it was 15 years or so ago
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Old 11-04-2015, 22:24   #36
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Hmm! ‘forming political beliefs thorough irrational thought processes......so long as you don’t vote’. What a strange statement to make, AccyX. Why have political beliefs if you don’t vote and put them to use – now that’s irrational, doesn’t make sense to my reasonably rational mind. I did read the link you provided and to be honest the more I read the more I realised WHY we have to have a government.

If you don’t wish to vote that’s your prerogative (unlike here in Australia where it is compulsory – though easy enough to waste your vote if you so wish) but if you choose not to vote then you really forgo your right to complain when things are not going to your liking. By not voting you might not have put ‘them’ in but you didn’t keep them out either. Be thankful that you have the right to vote.

However much you are disillusioned by politicians once they are in and their promises have gone down the gurgler with the bath water (and trust me, it’s the same here – sadly it seems par for the course, almost expected to happen) realistically you have to accept that there has to be, and is going to be, a government. The only thing to do is vote for the best person, keep the pressure on them to represent their constituency as they promised, and at least you know you have done your bit.

Maybe you think that by not voting you have forcefully expressed your disapproval with the whole kit and caboodle and this gives you some sort of self-satisfaction, but I hate to have to tell you this – your non-voting really doesn’t mean a thing to anyone else. I purposely ruined my voting paper once – wrote ‘none worth voting for’ across it and felt really pleased with myself for all of five minutes, then on the way home I realised how stupid that had been, it had made me feel good for a short while but nobody else would give a damn about what I had written. It certainly didn’t make any difference to the mob that got in. Actually, from a personal point-of-view, when I thought about the suffragettes who had suffered so much to get women the vote I felt ashamed of myself.

So, like it or lump it we have to have a Government. Suggestion – why not put yourself up for election and if successful then make a difference. It would be interesting to see how long it took before you also ‘joined the club’.

As for irrational thought processes, well….
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Old 12-04-2015, 09:59   #37
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Why have political beliefs if you don’t vote and put them to use – now that’s irrational, doesn’t make sense to my reasonably rational mind.
This will be the 12th general election since I have had the vote .

There were also two UK referendums , !973 and 2011 .

In the 1973 referendum I voted for the UK to leave the EEC .

In the 2011 referendum I voted against the proposed changes to the UK electoral system .

I voted for the Labour candidates in each of the 11 general elections prior to the forthcoming one .

I have reached a stage now where I have to be honest with myself and accept that my political beliefs are not represented by any of the candidates . And this has really been the case in all the general elections in which I have voted . I voted half-heartedly , but with a vague hope that things might turn out better than I suspected they would . There was also the negative sense of keeping the other lot out .

I remain a socialist . It isn't popular nowadays to be a socialist . Mrs Thatcher was successful in radically changing the political psyche of this nation . A materialistic individualism now holds sway throughout most of the political thinking in our country . It takes us back to the Roman poet Juvenal who in 100 A.D. wrote of the people being satisfied with "bread and circuses" . Just dole out goodies . That will keep the plebs quiet .

Unfortunately it's true . I never thought I would have lived to see the day when the British electorate would re-elect a government when going on for 4 000 000 people were unemployed . But they did in the 1980s .

So I was delighted on May 1997 when the voters kicked the Tories out after 18 years' of government . Though this was followed by "New Labour" . And to my shame I voted for New Labour at each election it won .

Anyway I don't believe I am being non-sensical or irrational if this time round I feel compelled to say to each of the candidates : " Sorry , but I can't vote for you . You don't represent what I believe . "
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Old 12-04-2015, 10:47   #38
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The non voters (I am one) consider that a vote is consent for the party with 'majority' to form government. When 'none of the above' is truly the way you feel about the parties, but you do not have the scope to say so, then you are tacitly agreeing to whatever they inflict on the population. You are being asked to choose which way you want to be misgoverned.

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Old 12-04-2015, 11:39   #39
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like JCB I cannot vote for parties which do not reflect my core values.
I am not apathetic, I am not lazy. I go to the polling station........and I am compelled to write 'none of the above' on my ballot paper.

To vote for a party that will govern with the least harm is not what a democracy is about(it seems to me that politics is becoming more like a personality contest than a search to find someone who can lead the country...who cares what the wives of the politicians look like, or what their kitchens are like...it is all tosh)...and in any case the speech recently by Tony Blair confirms that we do not really have a democracy......just the illusion of one.
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Old 12-04-2015, 12:21   #40
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I know where you're coming from, Margaret, Margaret and JCB, I have had my fair share of political disillusionment as well, but what's the answer? It can't be left in limbo. What's the alternative?

Do you make a protest vote by voting for an alternative party (assuming that there is one - I'm not sure how things are in the U.K. these days) or do you protest by not voting?
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I was intending to vote for n alternative party, but as we go away on 20th April for near 1 month,i just aint gonna bother.
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Old 12-04-2015, 13:20   #42
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it depends Dotti.
A protest vote is no better than spoiling your paper......the more parties there are to vote for the more dilute the parliament will be.
Yes I appreciate that we have to be governed...but for goodness sake is there not a party out there that can tell the truth, a party that will credit us with enough sense to be able to handle the realities of the necessary decisions which have to be taken.

The bottom line is that they all say one thing and do another......they are all career politicians with very few of the top politicians ever having worked in the real world...the world where if you don't graft then you do without.......the world where sometimes your choices are limited by what is in the purse.

I do not trust any of them with something as precious as my vote.
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Old 12-04-2015, 15:08   #43
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Been reading the thread with interest, vote, don't vote, protest vote, we can only go with what our hearts tell us is right, unfortunately those representing us have no heart otherwise they would act in a way that suits the majority and not themselves.
Every vote no matter which party always seems to put a selfish beggar and his pals in control of the trough.
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Old 12-04-2015, 22:32   #44
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I don't want to get into a political debate (the seem to get kind of repetitive) so my input here is done,I've said my peice, not that it will ever happen but the answer could be self governance (peace,love and logic) But that because I'm a hippy at heart...


.... to be honest I don't have the answers and don't believe anyone does.
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Old 13-04-2015, 02:37   #45
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Seems like politicians are the same everywhere. Parties make outlandish promises to get in and then feeble excuses as to why these promises can’t be fulfilled once they are in. What amazes me is that there are still some gullible people who actually believe them in the first place.

Unless they have been there and done that how can they know how the majority live, what their needs are, and unfortunately once they become pollies they don’t seem to care.
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