Potential Labour Candidate for Hyndburn - Page 18

garinda · 26-11-2009, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Eric

Now I'm a little confused

Aren't all MP's expenses in public domain?

No, that's been the trouble, and the cause of all the recent scandals, and the resulting public anger.

The majority of our politicans fought tooth and nail to block any moves for greater transparency, when there were attempts made for their expenses to be fully public.

It was only when they were leaked to the press and published that many of the abuses came to light.

The Public Prosecution Service are currently considering if a number of politicans (from both the Commons and the Lords) are to be charged with fraud.

g jones · 26-11-2009, 15:57

I do think politicians have to be open. Anyone passing my house can see scalfolding and a lot of timber. I have remortaged £40k to do the work. I know it's sad but I want people to be confident about things.

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andrewb · 26-11-2009, 16:07

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Originally Posted by g jones

I do think politicians have to be open. Anyone passing my house can see scalfolding and a lot of timber. I have remortaged £40k to do the work. I know it's sad but I want people to be confident about things.

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I don't really think that's the sort of thing the public care about/need to be told about. Only taxpayer related expenses should be. What you do with your own money is nobody elses business.

Gayle · 26-11-2009, 16:10

Sadly, some people would question where he got the money from, so even though it's nobody's business I can understand why he's announcing it.

Everything that Graham does between now and the election will be under scrutiny, he might as well cut people off at the pass by being clear about any spend.

Neil · 26-11-2009, 16:35

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Originally Posted by g jones

I do think politicians have to be open. Anyone passing my house can see scalfolding and a lot of timber. I have remortaged £40k to do the work. I know it's sad but I want people to be confident about things.

If you had waited you might have been able to make your Accy house your second home and get the work done for nothing.

Gayle · 26-11-2009, 16:38

And that's precisely why he's posted it on here, now, so that he can't be accused of that.

garinda · 26-11-2009, 16:45

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Originally Posted by garinda

Didn't you go and lick envelopes for Conservative M.P. David 'Dickie' Davis, after he'd thrown his political dummy out of his pram, and caused a needless by-election, costing us all an estimated £200,000.00?

David Davis by-election 'will cost taxpayers £200,000' - Telegraph

Perhaps because this was tucked away at the bottom of the previous page, is the reason andrewb hasn't commented....yet.

andrewb · 26-11-2009, 16:51

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Originally Posted by garinda

Perhaps because this was tucked away at the bottom of the previous page, is the reason andrewb hasn't commented....yet.

Well what are you asking me? Yes I did go and help in that by-election. You already knew that.

garinda · 26-11-2009, 18:02

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Well what are you asking me? Yes I did go and help in that by-election. You already knew that.

Well since you're making a big song and dance about by-elections costing the public purse a lot of money, for example the one you helped in, held purely for Davis's vanity, why are you making a fuss if Graham causes a by-election(s), if he's elected as our M.P.?

andrewb · 26-11-2009, 19:18

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Originally Posted by garinda

Well since you're making a big song and dance about by-elections costing the public purse a lot of money, for example the one you helped in, held purely for Davis's vanity, why are you making a fuss if Graham causes a by-election(s), if he's elected as our M.P.?

I helped out in the by-election, I wasn't responsible for the fact that there was one. At the time it was my first involvement in a national election which was very interesting. In hindsight it was, as you protested at the time, a needless by-election which cost the taxpayer a lot of money.

Graham has now confirmed that he doesn't intend to stand down and cause a by-election. He's instead going to remain a county and district councillor if he is to be elected Hyndburn's MP.

garinda · 26-11-2009, 20:41

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Originally Posted by andrewb

I don't think it's a bad thing that somebody has raised the issue of taxpayers paying for needless by-elections.

That's good.

Good that you can now see that unnecessary by-elections are a total waste of public money, and of time, for those foolish enough to offer their assistance in such elections.

g jones · 26-11-2009, 20:53

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Originally Posted by andrewb;

Graham has now confirmed that he doesn't intend to stand down and cause a by-election. He's instead going to remain a county and district councillor if he is to be elected Hyndburn's MP.

that is not quite correct. I said I enjoy DC & LCC as a community rep so if I was not good enough to be MP (ie I lost) I still think I have a loT to give locally for my area.

If I were to be MP then there are big questions, pluses and minus's to doing the local as well. Time consuming or staying in touch with Hyndburn and ordinary people. It has been done both ways in the past, this wouldn't be a first. Clearly the local role would be like the Mayors who receives a lot of latitude.

I did say anything I did do I would not wish to compensated for in anyway as MPs are already adequatly compensated.

PB is actually up for election and I believe if he has it his way he will stand on a local ballot paper for ST Andrews and general election for H&H. I do not know his intentions after that but I will hazard a guess he would like to do both to stay in touch.

andrewb · 26-11-2009, 21:17

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Originally Posted by g jones

that is not quite correct. I said I enjoy DC & LCC as a community rep so if I was not good enough to be MP (ie I lost) I still think I have a loT to give locally for my area.

If I were to be MP then there are big questions, pluses and minus's to doing the local as well. Time consuming or staying in touch with Hyndburn and ordinary people. It has been done both ways in the past, this wouldn't be a first. Clearly the local role would be like the Mayors who receives a lot of latitude.

I did say anything I did do I would not wish to compensated for in anyway as MPs are already adequatly compensated.

PB is actually up for election and I believe if he has it his way he will stand on a local ballot paper for ST Andrews and general election for H&H. I do not know his intentions after that but I will hazard a guess he would like to do both to stay in touch.

Sorry Graham, when you said earlier about not taking allowances from HBC or LCC if elected MP I thought this was you indicating you would stay on. Is it that you haven't decided what you'd do yet? If so, do you think it would be wise to tell the electorate at some point so that it's clear to them what positions you would intend to hold?

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean about Peter. Are you saying he will stand in the district elections and general election? I'm confused when you say H&H, what's that?

cashman · 26-11-2009, 21:21

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Originally Posted by andrewb

I helped out in the by-election, I wasn't responsible for the fact that there was one. At the time it was my first involvement in a national election which was very interesting. In hindsight it was, as you protested at the time, a needless by-election which cost the taxpayer a lot of money.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, especially if it suits yer present theme.

Gayle · 26-11-2009, 21:34

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Originally Posted by andrewb

Sorry Graham, when you said earlier about not taking allowances from HBC or LCC if elected MP I thought this was you indicating you would stay on. Is it that you haven't decided what you'd do yet? If so, do you think it would be wise to tell the electorate at some point so that it's clear to them what positions you would intend to hold?

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean about Peter. Are you saying he will stand in the district elections and general election? I'm confused when you say H&H, what's that?

Oh, come on Andrew! Graham has only just been chosen as the candidate, give him a chance. Yes, it might be wise for him to make some decisions so that he can tell the electorate befoe the election but it's not necessary for him to jump in this second and make that decision. The general election hasn't even been called yet so we have no idea when it will be.

H&H - Hyndburn and Haslingden.