Should Hyndburn be supporting Pakistan in Kashmir? - Page 8

Acrylic-bob · 03-03-2012, 14:48

I have a better one, My Family is descended from Rodobert de Cumin, a companion of the Conqueror. At the time of the conquest, some years ago, several members of the extended family were left behind in Normandy, in the region to the west of Rouen. Recently it has come to my attention that my, by now considerably extended, family still extant in that region, are being subjected to unfair taxation, sequestration of property, and unlawful detention by agents of the government of the French Republic, with whom they are in dispute and whose legitimacy they decline to recognise.

Though there has not, to my knowlege, been any attempt at murder or rape committed by the agents of the Government of the Republic of France the family feel that it is merely a matter of time. There has certainly been several outbreaks of pillage however, and the family live in constant fear of the midnight knock at the door.

Could I as a British Subject, UK taxpayer and resident of Hyndburn ask the council to pass a motion condemning the actions of the government of the French Republic in regard to my relatives?

Less · 03-03-2012, 15:18

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Originally Posted by gynn

Whatever the lessons to be learned, let's learn them and move on!

I would love to move on, in fact I would love it if we never had this discussion,
However, our elected representatives knee jerkered to placate a few, which is distasteful to the majority!

When our council either say, "it's nowt to do with us, or else declare both sides are as bad as each other,
I for one will continue to complain.

Everything happening out there is shameful, nothing at all deserves our Councils backing.

But, what do I know?

I was stupid enugh to believe
Both Ken and our Parliamentary representative would make a difference.

Obviously I am just a dumb voter.

gynn · 03-03-2012, 15:22

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Originally Posted by jaysay

A scenario for gynn, I'm an elected member of HBC and my great maiden Aunt Matilda, who lives in Blackburn, is being treated very shabbily by B with D council, I'm very very upset about this, so as somebody who is close to me and my family, but not living in Hyndburn is being treated badly, I want HBC to pass a motion at the next full council meeting deploring the treatment being dished out to my relative, how far would this fly and tell me the difference between the two cases

If Aunt Matilda had loads of family and fiends in Hyndburn, you could argue that it is a matter of concern to the community here, and under the constitution, you could get the Council to debate it. Be prepared for your motion deploring Aunty's treatment to be watered down, and everyone involved be urged to sit round the table and sort out Aunty's problems.

gynn · 03-03-2012, 15:24

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

Could I as a British Subject, UK taxpayer and resident of Hyndburn ask the council to pass a motion condemning the actions of the government of the French Republic in regard to my relatives?

Yes, but the watered down resolution would urge everyone to sit round the table and sort out Aunty's...er I mean your relatives problems.

Less · 03-03-2012, 16:02

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Originally Posted by gynn

Yes, but the watered down resolution would urge everyone to sit round the table and sort out Aunty's...er I mean your relatives problems.

My goodness gynn, is someone threatening to make cuts to your pension?

If so, don't buckle under, name and shame them, we'll keep you safe!

walkinman221 · 03-03-2012, 16:14

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

I have a better one, My Family is descended from Rodobert de Cumin, a companion of the Conqueror. At the time of the conquest, some years ago, several members of the extended family were left behind in Normandy, in the region to the west of Rouen. Recently it has come to my attention that my, by now considerably extended, family still extant in that region, are being subjected to unfair taxation, sequestration of property, and unlawful detention by agents of the government of the French Republic, with whom they are in dispute and whose legitimacy they decline to recognise.

Though there has not, to my knowlege, been any attempt at murder or rape committed by the agents of the Government of the Republic of France the family feel that it is merely a matter of time. There has certainly been several outbreaks of pillage however, and the family live in constant fear of the midnight knock at the door.

Could I as a British Subject, UK taxpayer and resident of Hyndburn ask the council to pass a motion condemning the actions of the government of the French Republic in regard to my relatives?

No you can't what goes around comes around , your relatives did the same to my relatives in 1066 or there abouts

Acrylic-bob · 03-03-2012, 17:21

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Originally Posted by walkinman221

No you can't what goes around comes around , your relatives did the same to my relatives in 1066 or there abouts

You know, even though the Conquest took place almost a thousand years ago, it is amazing how little actually changes; you peasants still have far too much to say for yourselves.

garinda · 03-03-2012, 21:13

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Originally Posted by gynn

Yes, but the watered down resolution would urge everyone to sit round the table and sort out Aunty's...er I mean your relatives problems.

I think the majority on residents might disagree, with one minute of Hynburn B.C.'s time being wasted on Acidic-bab's Norman tante.

Yes they should - 2.78%

No they shouldn't - 97.22%

walkinman221 · 03-03-2012, 21:25

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

You know, even though the Conquest took place almost a thousand years ago, it is amazing how little actually changes; you peasants still have far too much to say for yourselves.

Sorry sire (said whilst tugging forelock if i had one)

Acrylic-bob · 04-03-2012, 06:13

As an example of how complex, contentious and dangerous the situation in Kashmir is, I found this article in Wikipedia...

Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I do not offer this as an authoritative voice on the issue, but merely as an illustration of the conflict with some obsevations on it's origins. You may judge for yourself who is right and who is wrong and whether and where support should be offered, and by whom.

jaysay · 04-03-2012, 09:27

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Originally Posted by gynn

If Aunt Matilda had loads of family and fiends in Hyndburn, you could argue that it is a matter of concern to the community here, and under the constitution, you could get the Council to debate it. Be prepared for your motion deploring Aunty's treatment to be watered down, and everyone involved be urged to sit round the table and sort out Aunty's problems.

You are taking the you know what here aren't you, you know as well as I do it wouldn't see the light of day anywhere near an HBC meeting, because there would be little or no backlash from a refusal

gynn · 04-03-2012, 10:14

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Originally Posted by jaysay

You are taking the you know what here aren't you, you know as well as I do it wouldn't see the light of day anywhere near an HBC meeting, because there would be little or no backlash from a refusal

You are right, of course, jaysay. It raises the question of whether there would have been a backlash if the Council had not allowed the Kashmir item to be presented.

The answer would appear to be that no-one knows, and the Council saw that it was treading on eggshells. So rightly or wrongly they let the item through, albeit with a much watered down resolution, hoping it would quickly be forgotten.

But nobody at HBC expected the wrath of AccyWeb!

cashman · 04-03-2012, 10:19

I think they were very wrong to let it through,watered down or not, Then i don't sit on the fence. Unlike some.

garinda · 04-03-2012, 10:29

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Originally Posted by gynn

But nobody at HBC expected the wrath of AccyWeb!

Probably because this forum has nothing to do with this Hyndburn Borough Council.

Thanks for your continued contribution to this thread though.

Keeping it topical.

I half expected you wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by gynn

Whatever the lessons to be learned, let's learn them and move on!

Seems like people still have plenty to say, about our councillors being duped into becoming ammunition in a contentious, international propaganda war.

jaysay · 04-03-2012, 10:33

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Originally Posted by gynn

You are right, of course, jaysay. It raises the question of whether there would have been a backlash if the Council had not allowed the Kashmir item to be presented.

The answer would appear to be that no-one knows, and the Council saw that it was treading on eggshells. So rightly or wrongly they let the item through, albeit with a much watered down resolution, hoping it would quickly be forgotten.

But nobody at HBC expected the wrath of AccyWeb!

I'm sure your 100% right gynn, as for AccyWeb, its members are very unforgiving, and don't suffer fools gladly, a wrong is a wrong no matter who does it or why, as many people have found out, one thing that shouldn't be attempted is taking the members for granted, the mushroom syndrum just doesn't work on here