Sodomy, All at Sea - Page 7

pendy · 23-02-2005, 12:57

This is a difficult one, whether homosexuality is nature or nurture. There was some talk of a gene for it, but no-one of standing has identified it. There are all sorts of chromosomal abnormalities, like Fragile X Syndrome, but in those cases a person's sexual preference is the smallest part of their problem.

I don't believe that a person is necessarily straight or gay, a lot depends on their experiences and the influences exerted on them at susceptible times - after all, almost everyone has a crush on a same-sex teacher or prefect at school, it's a normal part of sexual development.

And before you ask, yes, I do have a degree in Psychology!

g78 · 23-02-2005, 13:01

You are born gay. Simple as. You don't wake up one day and decide to be gay, its just something thats inbuilt in you. There is only one choice to make, you either accept it and live with it or you hide it and live a life of lies.

g78 · 23-02-2005, 13:05

I just noticed Tealeaf has now gone and changed his signature.

Tealeaf · 23-02-2005, 13:05

Whether it is nature or nurture, it does not matter (although I believe its mainly the latter), modern science can deal with it. Half a dozen hourly sessions with these characters tied to a chair watching Homo Porno while at the same time having 10,000 volts discharged via an electrode up their you-know-what will some cure 'em of these tendencies. Done on the NHS, it'll work out cheaper for us all as we'll soon have no need to fork out 10 grand a year in AIDS medication for each and every one of 'em.

pendy · 23-02-2005, 13:07

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Originally Posted by g78

You are born gay. Simple as. You don't wake up one day and decide to be gay, its just something thats inbuilt in you. There is only one choice to make, you either accept it and live with it or you hide it and live a life of lies.

I do not accept that a person is born gay. If that was the case, there would be a definite genetic basis, and there isn't. However, you come back to the point, if you accept it, you must live with it and all its consequences.

The life of lies sometimes seems to mean to have the best of both worlds - there are several well-known cases of men having a wife and a family and then coming out - their choice, but other people's lives are wrecked totally. In any event, if you are truly homosexual, how do you manage to have a family? - if you have no physical desire for the opposite sex, then that would be virtually impossible, but it happens.

garinda · 23-02-2005, 13:09

NATURE OR NATURE, its back to what papers you read. lt always makes me laugh that hetrosexuals never admit to choosing their sexuality, its genetic trust me. Except for exceptional circumstances, such as same sex environments, [ such as prisons, boarding schools] where hetrosexuals may seek comfort they wouldn t normally. Just as a gay man may form a sexual relationship if he was banged up in a female prison- same but different.

pendy · 23-02-2005, 13:13

In Ancient Greece, it was normal for men to form homosexual relationships before marriage, and then go on to live a normal life. I have heard from male friends that their public schools were hotbeds of homosexuality, but they go on to a normal sex life afterwards. Prisons, the same. If there's nothing else, people (usually men) settle for what they can get. Hence, going back to the original point of the thread "Rum, bum and concertina" in the Navy.

Interesting thought, how a gay man would get banged up in a female prison - most transvestite homosexuals I have seen are not that convincing!

g78 · 23-02-2005, 13:14

Garinda you are so right. I mean is there a point where a heterosexual suddenly becomes 'heterosexual'? Nope its considered to be the way they are born, but for a gay person its a 'choice'. Just because theres no genetic proof doesn't mean squat. For years man thought the earth was flat and they were proved wrong. Maybe we just dont know what to look for yet genetic wise. If you are gay you are gay and if you are straight you are straight, it is not a choice. People would not chose to be ridiculed and abused if they didn't have too.

pendy · 23-02-2005, 13:19

Hang on, here, ridiculed and abused? - only if you look for it and push your sexuality as the most important thing about you. Yes there are jokes about gay people. There are even more jokes about straight sex - and try Jewish jokes or Irish jokes.

Besides which, genome mapping is very well developed. We are hardly at the flat earth stage on this one.

g78 · 23-02-2005, 13:22

Ok so when i was beaten for walking quietly down a street, or when at school i was spat on and verbally abused every day for just being quiet and keeping my head down, that was pushing my sexuality? I never looked for abuse, i was quiet and low key yet my life was made hell..... guess I brought and deserved all that eh?

garinda · 23-02-2005, 13:22

You need to get out more in London, most hotel bars in Park Lane are full of very convincing trannys, lol. As for extremes of hetro/homosexuality theres an awfully large grey area in the middle. In more liberal civilizations bisexuality was more open. l ve also met lots of five beer queers on a saturday night @ closing time! Bit sexist to say women aren t as likely to form same sex relationships in same sex enviroments. Myra wasn t a dyke before she was banged up!

Tealeaf · 23-02-2005, 13:23

Are you a puffter or a lesbo, G78?

g78 · 23-02-2005, 13:25

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf

Are you a puffter or a lesbo, G78?

Believe it or not tealeaf im a human being.

slinky · 23-02-2005, 13:26

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Originally Posted by g78

Ok so when i was beaten for walking quietly down a street, or when at school i was spat on and verbally abused every day for just being quiet and keeping my head down, that was pushing my sexuality? I never looked for abuse, i was quiet and low key yet my life was made hell..... guess I brought and deserved all that eh?

No g78 you certainly did'nt. I went to school with a girl and she was OBSSESSED about calling other people LESBO'S AND GAY'S. If people even lifted there head up in the changing rooms you was a LESBO according to her. A couple of years later when I had got married and had children, I saw her out one night and guess what!! she is a lesbian. I think for years she had hidden the fact, and by way of calling others she had thought it may go away.

chav1 · 23-02-2005, 13:27

i dont think people are born gay you never see small children walking around saying will you be my boyfriend when at school

i think it kicks in around puberty when all things are getting messed up in your bodys

that only acounts for some gays though i truely belive that in recent years it has become almost trendy and fashionable to be gay due to all the promotion tv gives homosexuality especialy channel 4 they cant get enough homosexuality to fill their tv shows its almost a must to have at least 2 gays in big brother

when homosexualitry was frowned upon gays didnt run around screming for this and that and look at me ime gay ime better than anybody but now it its accepted anyone who wonders what its like to have sex with another man can openly go out and try it without the stigma that used to be attatched to been homosexual

its a bit like stealing , peopel dont do it because it is wrong but there are people who just cant help it but if it was made legal there would be plenty of people who would steal just because they now can and no one will think bad of them as it is legal