the BIG three tonight

[garinda]

I've posted before, but the best political performer of all time, in giving people what they thought they wanted, and exciting a nation, was Hitler.

As I stated, for me it's not how something's said, it's what's said, and the subsequent actions that will follow.

[Taggy]

Originally Posted by garinda

Well personally I give my trust in the party/person who has the best policies.

I won't be basing my decision on who can look, and act, the most honest.

Yes...but how many Governments over the past have actually HONOURED their policys...i honestly dont think many have....in which case they are lying to get your vote!

Hand on heart...is there a party that you KNOW who you can actually TRUST!


Best Regards - Taggy

[MargaretR]

I thought you might like this

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Taggy

Yes...but how many Governments over the past have actually HONOURED their policys...i honestly dont think many have....in which case they are lying to get your vote!

Hand on heart...is there a party that you KNOW who you can actually TRUST!


Best Regards - Taggy

(Was posting a reply when there was a power cut last night!)

The only person anyone can really trust is themselves.

After that there's degrees of trustworthiness.

I shall base the decision of who to vote for on their policies, and the historical evidence of them doing what they said they'd do.

I understand people deciding not voting, or making a protest vote, but that option isn't one I will take. I want my vote to be one that makes a difference in deciding who'll be governing us for the next four of five years.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by Taggy

All that you say is pretty much on the mark there, but it does leave the question to be answered then....who in Politics do you trust....Yes its Policies that Matter.....but Policies..like Pledges, have to be turned into reality, who do you trust to do that....how many governments have actually honoured their Policies/Pledges?....i would bet if we had to disect the manifesto's of previous Governments through the ages, we would find that most have failed to deliver!

If we accept that.....then on what do we base our future choices??


Best Regards - Taggy

Surprisingly governments have quite a good record at keeping manifesto promises.

I think Cameron did well at the debate, but then again you expected me to say that. Nick Clegg won the night though. I didn't like his 'plague on all your houses' style, but I agreed with certain things like increasing the income tax threshold. I'm not sure if we can afford it as a country though at the moment.. but that's the problem with the Lib-dems, they can say what they like, they won't have to implement their policies.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by garinda

Some of the best politicans this country ever produced wouldn't have been telegenic enough to attain power today.

Even Churchill wouldn't have made the selection stages to be a M.P., having a face more suited to the wireless.

Same with his buddy, FDR: historical wisdom has it that if the voting public had been aware, in his first election, that he was in a wheel chair, he probably wouldn't have made it.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by Eric

Same with his buddy, FDR: historical wisdom has it that if the voting public had been aware, in his first election, that he was in a wheel chair, he probably wouldn't have made it.

Exactly, daft.

Political pundits tell us now that the British public wouldn't accept a bald or receeding P.M., and if you think about recent elections they seem to be right.

It's all very shallow, and makes me feel ashamed that presentation seems more important than policies in today's Britain.

I'm sure some people, with very narrow interests, would have been in raptures watching the 'historic debate', the same way some get excited by watching formula produced American porn.

Give me content over fluff any day.

[garinda]

Probably more interesting to watch, to see how policies are defended in an unscripted interview, will be watching Paxman.

Interestingly now Brown's agreed to appear on Newsnight, with the notoriously tough interviewer, Cameron has also decided that he wants to do one too, after declining in the past, and has said he might have room in his diary after all.



BBC News - PM to undergo Paxman grilling

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by MargaretR

I thought you might like this

About 50 posts to late Margaret

[cashman]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Surprisingly governments have quite a good record at keeping manifesto promises.

I think Cameron did well at the debate, but then again you expected me to say that.

Yep it just highlights how blinkered ya are.

[Ken Moss]

Originally Posted by garinda

You don't need to be a great orator, physically 'attractive' to the masses, well groomed, and more polished than the Koh-i-Noor diamond, to be a great politican.

What a brilliant analogy.

The Koh-i-Noor, the biggest and best diamond ever found, relentlessly re-shaped by people who thought they knew how it should look in public and eventually nothing like how it originally was.

A bit like listening to your spin doctors and Google Page Ranking men before a live TV debate.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Ken Moss

What a brilliant analogy.

The Koh-i-Noor, the biggest and best diamond ever found, relentlessly re-shaped by people who thought they knew how it should look in public and eventually nothing like how it originally was.

A bit like listening to your spin doctors and Google Page Ranking men before a live TV debate.

Spot on Ken, the days of great orators has long gone, mores the pity, when I started in politics in the early 60s, GE candidate spoke at public meetings, got on their soap box on the market, and knew how to play to the audience, without out prompting from the wings by spin doctors, in fact if spin doctor had been mentioned in those days we'd have thought it was a guy who mended the new type washer-spindryers

[garinda]

Originally Posted by jaysay

when I started in politics in the early 60s, GE candidate spoke at public meetings, got on their soap box on the market, and knew how to play to the audience

Hell's bells.

Your Conservative soap boxers in those days must have been mind numbingly boring, and certainly didn't know how to hold much of a crowd.

Considering the fallow period, between 1931 and 1983, when Accrington/Hyndburn didn't return a Conservative M.P.

Those poor beggars could probably have benefited from a bit of spin...or balloons, or something else eye-catching, to grab folks attention.

[garinda]

Originally Posted by garinda

Hell's bells.

Your Conservative soap boxers in those days must have been mind numbingly boring, and certainly didn't know how to hold much of a crowd.

Considering the fallow period, between 1931 and 1983, when Accrington/Hyndburn didn't return a Conservative M.P.

Those poor beggars could probably have benefited from a bit of spin...or balloons, or something else eye-catching, to grab folks attention.

That's probably why there was always a massive crowd round Uncle Dick's on the market in the '60's.

It was that, or listening to some toff in a pin stripe drone on from his husting.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by garinda

Hell's bells.

Your Conservative soap boxers in those days must have been mind numbingly boring, and certainly didn't know how to hold much of a crowd.

Considering the fallow period, between 1931 and 1983, when Accrington/Hyndburn didn't return a Conservative M.P.

Those poor beggars could probably have benefited from a bit of spin...or balloons, or something else eye-catching, to grab folks attention.

On the contrary Garinda, it was quite fun at both Conservative and Labour hustings, but of course that was before your time you were probably still running round with dirty jeans on and jam round your mouth