The Tories - Page 56

ToffeeGuy · 20-12-2011, 22:55

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

he speaks the truth, we would have gone into debt whatever political party was in power and i would rather the money spent on hospitals, the working class and infrastructre than spend it on his mates .

if plan A was working why are we heading to record unemployment and still borrowing more money

Wise words, thanks for the support.

garinda · 20-12-2011, 23:00

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

he speaks the truth, we would have gone into debt whatever political party was in power and i would rather the money spent on hospitals, the working class and infrastructre than spend it on his mates .

if plan A was working why are we heading to record unemployment and still borrowing more money

Thus speaks one of the greatest economic minds of the age.

We might not have a pot to pee in.

But who cares?

Spend, spend, spend!

Sod the consequences.

(Cue music.)

garinda · 20-12-2011, 23:03

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

Wise words, thanks for the support.

You'll probably both end up with the same embarrassing little rash.

Sharing the same support.

Mancie · 20-12-2011, 23:11

The reality is that NO government wether it be Tory,Labour or the present lot has ever really been able to control our economy or avoid recessions over the last 100yrs.
Early 30's was maybe the worse recession..then we had the early 70's blamed on oil, late 70's to mid 80's blamed on the unions..then again early 90's blamed on financial speculators..and then we have 2008 to present blamed on borrowing and credit.
The thing that does make a difference is that a Tory government will always try claw out of a recession by what they might call re-balancing incomes and welfare..meaning cut public spending and raise taxes such as VAT.. because that is the area were they can recope the most money..have we not seen all this before?..they say that the NHS will be "amune" of "ringfenced" to cuts, yet the NHS has been told to make £20 billion in cuts!

garinda · 20-12-2011, 23:49

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Originally Posted by Mancie

The reality is that NO government wether it be Tory,Labour or the present lot has ever really been able to control our economy or avoid recessions over the last 100yrs.
Early 30's was maybe the worse recession..then we had the early 70's blamed on oil, late 70's to mid 80's blamed on the unions..then again early 90's blamed on financial speculators..and then we have 2008 to present blamed on borrowing and credit.
The thing that does make a difference is that a Tory government will always try claw out of a recession by what they might call re-balancing incomes and welfare..meaning cut public spending and raise taxes such as VAT.. because that is the area were they can recope the most money..have we not seen all this before?..they say that the NHS will be "amune" of "ringfenced" to cuts, yet the NHS has been told to make £20 billion in cuts!

True, to a point.

When it comes to international recessions, on a worldwide scale, there's little a national government can do to protect itself.

Though building lots of nice, new, shiny hospitals, schools, colleges, etc, using PFI's, whose exorbitantly high repayements will cripple the country for generations to come, is only a wise thing to do if you're an imbecile.

Thatcher sold off the family silver, Brown went one better, and sold off the country's gold reserve when prices were rock bottom.

That Scottish inbred shouldn't have been allowed to count the church collection, nevermind been allowed to attempt to run the economy.

I am Gordon Brown, former Prime Minister, and Chancellor.

When it came to U.K. P.L.C., I put the 'I' into run, and created ruin.

BERNADETTE · 20-12-2011, 23:52

For goodness sake and whilst you are at it please note I'm quoting nobody here, whether they be tories, labour or whatever other sodding party you want to throw into the mix.
OUR country has had and countinues to have an open door policy for far, far to long. Why oh why do you think that illegal immigrants are prepared to risk life and limb to get here????
Anybody know of a party prepared to accept the facts or are we going to continue going round in circles??? No point arguing amonst each other if NO party is going to listen

Mancie · 21-12-2011, 00:02

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Originally Posted by garinda

True, to a point.

When it comes to international recessions, on a worldwide scale, there's little a national government can do to protect itself.

Though building lots of nice, new, shiny hospitals, schools, colleges, etc, using PFI's, whose exorbitantly high repayements will cripple the country for generations to come, is only a wise thing to do if you're an imbecile.

Thatcher sold off the family silver, Brown went one better, and sold off the country's gold reserve when prices were rock bottom.

That Scottish inbred shouldn't have been allowed to count the church collection, nevermind been allowed to attempt to run the economy.

I am Gordon Brown, former Prime Minister, and Chancellor.

When it came to U.K. P.L.C., I put the 'I' into run, and created ruin.

Yes we agree they all make mistakes.. in my opinion the selling of the gold reserves to prop up the economy was a mistake.. but nowhere near as bad as selling what is called "the family silver"... the railways were sold for a £1 ..BP was sold for next to nothing and then run by ex tory cabinet ministers same as British Steel.. British Gas was supposed to be sold to the masses but ended up owned by foriegn companies..my water company and my electic provider are French.

garinda · 21-12-2011, 00:05

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

For goodness sake and whilst you are at it please note I'm quoting nobody here, whether they be tories, labour or whatever other sodding party you want to throw into the mix.
OUR country has had and countinues to have an open door policy for far, far to long. Why oh why do you think that illegal immigrants are prepared to risk life and limb to get here????
Anybody know of a party prepared to accept the facts or are we going to continue going round in circles??? No point arguing amonst each other if NO party is going to listen

Agreed.

Which is one of the reasons why I'll not be voting ever again, until there's been one almighty change, for any mainstream political party.

Though I will continue banging my head against the wall.

Or as it's more commonly known, ripping into the soddin' lot of 'em.

garinda · 21-12-2011, 00:10

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Originally Posted by Mancie

Yes we agree they all make mistakes.. in my opinion the selling of the gold reserves to prop up the economy was a mistake.. but nowhere near as bad as selling what is called "the family silver"... the railways were sold for a £1 ..BP was sold for next to nothing and then run by ex tory cabinet ministers same as British Steel.. British Gas was supposed to be sold to the masses but ended up owned by foriegn companies..my water company and my electic provider are French.

I agree. I was certainly no fan of Thatcher's.

You owned all these nationalised company, but hey, Sid says you can give us your money, and own 'em again.

Idiocy, but people fell for it.

No government gives a toss for the longterm effects of what they do.

Five years is the maximum period of time their tiny minds can cope with.

Margaret Pilkington · 21-12-2011, 06:14

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

he speaks the truth, we would have gone into debt whatever political party was in power

What do you mean we would have gone into debt??????????
We were already in hock up to our eyeballs when the last government left power.
Didn't you hear that Ed Balls left a message to the incoming government....something like 'there isn't any money'

And Toffee Guy...relying on C'mon for support is like relying on a rubber stick to help you walk.......bloody useless!

Less · 21-12-2011, 06:49

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

And Toffee Guy...relying on C'mon for support is like relying on a rubber stick to help you walk.......bloody useless!

When you have no idea about the real world clutching at straws can seem a very sensible thing to do.

Margaret Pilkington · 21-12-2011, 07:03

To the senseless........I suppose it might.

jaysay · 21-12-2011, 09:19

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Originally Posted by ToffeeGuy

Wise words, thanks for the support.

Looks like you two haven't a brain between ya

JCB · 21-12-2011, 09:26

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Originally Posted by Mancie

The reality is that NO government wether it be Tory,Labour or the present lot has ever really been able to control our economy or avoid recessions over the last 100yrs.

I don't know whether I would go as far back as 100 years , but it certainly applies to the modern economy . With globalisation , and the way our economic system is so bound up with those of countries worldwide , the government is limited in what it can do sort out our economic problems .

The government has said that it will bring the deficit down to zero in the lifetime of this parliament . I think that's a rash promise considering what's going on all over the place .

jaysay · 21-12-2011, 09:27

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

What do you mean we would have gone into debt??????????
We were already in hock up to our eyeballs when the last government left power.
Didn't you hear that Ed Balls left a message to the incoming government....something like 'there isn't any money'

And Toffee Guy...relying on C'mon for support is like relying on a rubber stick to help you walk.......bloody useless!

The Guy who left the little note was chief secretary to the treasury Liam Bern Margaret, but they all peed in the same pot, but on the bright side it looks like we have a new comedy duo on here Dumb and Dumber