The Tories

[cmonstanley]

ohh the tories and their media friends telling lies and misleading the public,what a surprise

[jaysay]

Even a leading left wing MP said last week that the welfare state is not fit for purpose, when you have people who are better of on benefits than they are working. Labour had long enough to change this but only made it worse. They also employed 1 million more civil servants, most doing no jobs, which was affordable whilst Gordon was throwing money about like confetti, money which he had borrowed (for which the interest is growing at around £450 million per day)Gordon Brown knew he was in a hole, but carried on digging now everybody is paying the price, but numpties on the left just can't see it, the bottom line is, Labour left this country with huge debts, which is what they always do, but if you borrow copious amounts of money there comes a time when you have to pay it back, unfortunately when that time comes the culprits are of on the American and Mideast gray train after dinner circuit and selling their memoirs

[Acrylic-bob]

And setting up Limited Partnership Companies through which to launder the proceeds so that they pay minimal UK tax.

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob

And setting up Limited Partnership Companies through which to launder the proceeds so that they pay minimal UK tax.

Ya know Bob C'mon never seems to put links on to these kind of things funny that

[cmonstanley]

Lords Divisions results - UK Parliament i know what your talking about funny that all private companies are in it for the money and will be taking more money out of the british economy .the tories dont know what they are doing they inept

[annesingleton]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Even a leading left wing MP said last week that the welfare state is not fit for purpose, when you have people who are better of on benefits than they are working. Labour had long enough to change this but only made it worse. They also employed 1 million more civil servants, most doing no jobs, which was affordable whilst Gordon was throwing money about like confetti, money which he had borrowed (for which the interest is growing at around £450 million per day)Gordon Brown knew he was in a hole, but carried on digging now everybody is paying the price, but numpties on the left just can't see it, the bottom line is, Labour left this country with huge debts, which is what they always do, but if you borrow copious amounts of money there comes a time when you have to pay it back, unfortunately when that time comes the culprits are of on the American and Mideast gray train after dinner circuit and selling their memoirs

I thought it was the fat cat hedge funding bankers who needed the government i.e. the taxpayer to bail them out in order to avoid the collapse of capitalism, who caused us to be in the current financial mess, not Gordon Brown's financial policies?

[cmonstanley]

aye

[cmonstanley]

Welfare reform bill ? Lords debate and live discussion | Society | guardian.co.uk thats a hat trick of defeats for the goverment tonight

[jaysay]

Originally Posted by annesingleton

I thought it was the fat cat hedge funding bankers who needed the government i.e. the taxpayer to bail them out in order to avoid the collapse of capitalism, who caused us to be in the current financial mess, not Gordon Brown's financial policies?

Now what financial policies would be, was never aware he had any, and you thing good old Gordon did a wonderful job, notably the worst chancellor/prime minister this countries ever had and is ever likely to have

[cmonstanley]

time will tell.still think opinions will be changed after this rotten mob are finished

[annesingleton]

Originally Posted by jaysay

Now what financial policies would be, was never aware he had any, and you thing good old Gordon did a wonderful job, notably the worst chancellor/prime minister this countries ever had and is ever likely to have

I didn't say I thought Gordon did a wonderful job, I said that the current economic situation was caused by the government baling out the banks with public money. Therefore our current situation is the fault of greedy bankers rather than government mis spending which is something the current government seem to have forgotten.

[Margaret Pilkington]

and replaced by another mob that is yet more rotten?
When will you get the message? They are all cut from the same cloth.
All of those Labour, Lib Dems. Tories.......never did a days real work in their lives.
They have no comprehension of what it is to live a life that has not been touched by privelege.....and what is worse, they will never know, because none of them will ever listen to the electorate.
They aren't in politics to make life better for you and me. Only to make it better for themselves.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by cmonstanley

Welfare reform bill ? Lords debate and live discussion | Society | guardian.co.uk thats a hat trick of defeats for the goverment tonight

Good but it's only a hiccup for this bill.. the attempt by this government to cut benifits for cancer patients (by £90 per week in some cases) is a disgrace.. a disgrace that has not been mentioned in the press.. or for that matter not mentioned on here by the anti-social right, who support savage cuts in income for the sick,disabled and those on low incomes .. ..are people suffering with cancer now regarded as "scroungers"?

[Mancie]

Just a peek at what this government have proposed..

Peers voted by 260 to 216 to protect up to 15,000 young disabled people from cuts to employment support allowance.

They voted 234 to 186 for a two-year limit on claims, rather than the proposed one year, and by 222 to 166 to exempt cancer sufferers from a limit.

The plan had meant disabled children who could never work would never be entitled to the benefit.

BBC News - Government suffers Lords defeats over welfare cuts

Oh dear. a "lazy" post.. I'll say enough said..but of course the usual "neutral" defenders of this government are invited to comment.

[Eric]

Just when I thought that there were fewer and fewer differences between your tories and "new" Labour, along comes Lord Astor with this gem: talking of the HS2 rail network, he says that it is a plot by "Northern Labour MPs who relish the thought of the beauty of the Chilterns being destroyed" A furore normannorum libera nos domine."