The Ultimate Insult - Page 8

garinda · 03-10-2011, 10:22

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Originally Posted by jaysay

In 75 I vote for staying in, but its a different beast now its even different from the the days of Wilson and Thatcher, Thatcher fought tooth and nail to make sure GB plc got the best out of the deal, since then we've been sold down the river, if there was a referendum today, having seen whats gone on over the last few years I would, without doubt vote to come out. A European Common Market yes, a Federal States of Europe no way

Thanks for answering.

It's interesting, how someone who voted back in the seventies, has changed their view, as the Common Market/E.E.C./E.U. has changed by stealth into something totally different from it's original concept.

Sadly I didn't get a vote back then.

Being 10.

mobertol · 03-10-2011, 12:55

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Originally Posted by jaysay

In 75 I vote for staying in, but its a different beast now its even different from the the days of Wilson and Thatcher, Thatcher fought tooth and nail to make sure GB plc got the best out of the deal, since then we've been sold down the river, if there was a referendum today, having seen whats gone on over the last few years I would, without doubt vote to come out. A European Common Market yes, a Federal States of Europe no way

My memories of politics back then seem to be pretty much mixed up with Mike Yarwood's fantastic impersonations of the characters of the time Wilson, Teddy Heath etc. but then i was only 11.
We had been travelling in Europe since I was 7 though (to Greece, Spain and France) and i remember there being a feeling of excitement at the thought of all these countries getting together and sharing their culture etc. - it was all new and different, as mass tourism was just getting underway and people were seeing how life was in other places. I think "Optimism" probably sums it up -through my eyes then, you understand. A whole new world on the doorstep to be discovered and shared.
I suppose it was just the illusion of the "grass being greener" - at the end of the day, in all walks of life, there will always be those who are out to make a profit at the expense of everyone else...
Mind you it would be shame to thwart Tony B's dream of becoming the first European President

Margaret Pilkington · 03-10-2011, 13:32

Back in those days it was not the political entity it is now....it was a number of countries who thought that banding together would encourage trade between those countries.
It was a multi-national market place.........it is no longer that.....Ted Heath gave away our fishing rights to get us in.......if I remember rightly General De Gaulle didn't actually want us in their neat little trading club....and to be honest, my feeling was 'well, if they don't want us, then I don't want to be in it'........I was also very sceptical about the benefits to the UK.

jaysay · 03-10-2011, 18:06

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Originally Posted by garinda

Thanks for answering.

It's interesting, how someone who voted back in the seventies, has changed their view, as the Common Market/E.E.C./E.U. has changed by stealth into something totally different from it's original concept.

Sadly I didn't get a vote back then.

Being 10.

I have to say I've only changed my mined quite recently Rindi, but when we are being asked to help bail out country's in the Euro zone, when we had more sense than to join it, Well, its just crazy

garinda · 03-10-2011, 21:08

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Originally Posted by jaysay

I have to say I've only changed my mined quite recently Rindi, but when we are being asked to help bail out country's in the Euro zone, when we had more sense than to join it, Well, its just crazy

Although crazily not allowed a ballot paper at the time, being ten years old, I did lead the Vote No campaign as Head Boy, whilst at Moor End.

What an economic trade alliance has been allowed to morph into today, issuing edicts about every aspect of our lives, outranking our own British government, is certainly NOT what people voted for.

If we aren't given a say about what's happened, and our future destiny, it will be too late, and this once great country will be in grave danger of being changed for ever, and it certainly won't be for the better.

'If' the people decided we no longer wanted E.U. membership, then it's surely better to have twenty or so years to disentangle ourselves from it. Rather than an eternity of this ever worsening bureaucratic madness, of us being governed from Brussels.

jaysay · 04-10-2011, 09:14

Ya Rindi I heard you were a very forward thinking child in your younger years, wonder what happened

Mancie · 04-10-2011, 23:51

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

Well Thank you for taking the time to explain what you mean. It makes more sense now.
I'm not sure how the MEP system works...but you can't really expect MEP's to take action to come out of the EU.........that is like asking Turkeys to vote for Christmas.
The EU is a vast gravy train......and the MEP's are dipping their bread in it!

As for HMG over here........I am not being apologist, but they have had a lot on their plate to deal with.......and I am pretty sure that DC and NC don't really see eye to eye on lots of things so internal wrangling take up time and energy.

Maybe they just moan and whinge because they don't know what to do to get us out of the carp(intended). Like the engineers rule 'When you don't know what to do.....walk fast and look worried'.

Yet again I did not make it clear.. in the real world I would not expect any MEP's to vote for (or propose) any removal of the UK from the EU.. but seeing as they are by far in the strongest position from the UK to oppose some of the rulings the EU Parliment come up with I find it strange that they just buckle under and blame the last Government.. It all gets abit boring.....If the Tories really mean business then they should push for reform within the EU instead of whinging.

Margaret Pilkington · 05-10-2011, 06:15

In the great scheme of things, do you think the number of MEP's the UK has, can really influence the vast political beast that the EU has become????????

I don't think they can and I think it is down to the futility of the situation(coupled with a lack of will), that and the fact that making waves in Brussels would not endear them to the organisation....and before y ou tell me that they aren't there to be popular.......well, I guess I know that, but they don't want to be the most unpopular boy in the schoolyard.

garinda · 05-10-2011, 07:04

Latest polls, regarding the U.K. and the E.U,

Second Poll Shows UK Wants Out of EU - Guy Fawkes' blog

European Union Pollwatch - Opinion Polls. Leaving the EU is supported by a majority of British People

jaysay · 05-10-2011, 09:18

As I've said before I have recently changed my views on Europe, looks like quite a few more have too