Ukraine

[Margaret Pilkington]

And the USSR should be a summary lesson to all those who want a yoked United States of Europe. It doesn't work....it causes lots of problems and inequalities that cause serious resentment.

As for your rant Guinness...it is allowed once in a while......except I didn't have you down as the 'ranting' type(whatever that is).
Normally your posts are measured and well reasoned.

Pleased to hear that my'specsavers' moment can be overlooked(or at least forgiven).

[Lucysgirl]

Originally Posted by Guinness

Yup..guilty as charged..it was a rant. But in my defence, I get a tad irritated when someone dismisses an argument as irrelevant without disproving it.

Anyway Lucysgirl gave a fairly coherent response to my harangue , and fair play to her for doing it without ranting back.

The 'typical tory' was a bit below the belt..but..meh, I'll take any opportunity to attack a tory no matter how tenuous

As for us falling out over a forum post...ain't never gonna happen

I believe you may be referring to my post where I said that I'd followed her link to the three year old thread concerning misleading news (and incidentally saw some interesting research had been done) but admitted to MargaretR that I hadn't fully read all the four pages or followed all the pertinent links contained in those pages in detail. I whole heartedly agree with her about not jumping to conclusions about official propaganda that's put about.

I'm sorry you feel I dismissed the point she made but I can assure you I am in accord with everything MargaretR said about not believing everything one sees or hears. Ultimately, this could mean that when I sort the chaff from the wheat to my own satisfaction, I might just be at odds with others on a subject

[davebtelford]

I don't understand how an illegal 'government' in Kiev can claim that a referendum in Eastern Ukraine is illegal. I think this will lead to a peaceful partition of Ukraine or (more likely) a civil war resulting in partition.

[davebtelford]

Civil war it is then! And Obama ramping up the pressure with additional military in E. Europe. Doesn't he realise Putin is NOT Sadam & he really does have WMD?

[Lucysgirl]

Originally Posted by davebtelford

Civil war it is then! And Obama ramping up the pressure with additional military in E. Europe. Doesn't he realise Putin is NOT Sadam & he really does have WMD?

I think it's going to be a long hard haul to settle the situation. From the BBC website which lists a timeline from 1917 it's evident that the ethnic people have been battered between pillar and post and even taking a pinch of salt whilst reading the wikepedia site it's even more entangled the further back in history you go.

BBC News - Ukraine profile - Timeline

Russians in Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I guess it will be a case of "softly, softly, catchy monkey"?