Unions flexing their muscles again - Page 4

garinda · 21-03-2010, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

What's strange about it? Surely it's perfectly normal and quite healthy that someone puts a point of view forward and other people disagree with it. It's called democratic debate...or should we all just fall into line and agree with you?

I thought he was offering us a self-appraisal.

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Originally Posted by Stumped

Strange how the usual suspects crawl out of the woodwork to criticise any views opposed to that of their own!

I find it quite sad really though, that some people are apparently browbeaten into doing things against their better wishes.

Even as a child, and certainly as a teenager, no one could force me into doing anything at all, if I didn't think it was the right thing to do.

I suppose it goes back to that old analogy of some people being wolves, and others are like sheep

Stumped · 21-03-2010, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

What's strange about it? Surely it's perfectly normal and quite healthy that someone puts a point of view forward and other people disagree with it. It's called democratic debate...or should we all just fall into line and agree with you?

Your views, not mine.

Stumped · 21-03-2010, 17:08

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Originally Posted by garinda

I thought he was offering us a self-appraisal.

I find it quite sad really though, that some people are apparently browbeaten into doing things against their better wishes.

Even as a child, and certainly as a teenager, no one could force me into doing anything at all, if I didn't think it was the right thing to do.

I suppose it goes back to that old analogy of some people being wolves, and others are like sheep

Being a 16-year old in the 1950's was a totally different kettle of fish to what is happening today. Kids were brought up to respect their elders, unlike modern times when there is very little respect for anything and avararice rules the roost.

garinda · 21-03-2010, 17:10

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Originally Posted by Stumped

Your views, not mine.

Get out of here!

What someone else says, isn't necessarily your own opinion, but may differ?

You live and learn.

Stumped · 21-03-2010, 17:12

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Originally Posted by garinda

Get out of here!

What someone else says, isn't necessarily your own opinion, but may differ?

You live and learn.

And I'm still learning.

Wynonie Harris · 21-03-2010, 17:13

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Originally Posted by Stumped

Your views, not mine.

Well, obviously they're my views. But are you saying no one else is entitled to a point of view except you?

garinda · 21-03-2010, 17:17

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Originally Posted by Stumped

Being a 16-year old in the 1950's was a totally different kettle of fish to what is happening today. Kids were brought up to respect their elders, unlike modern times when there is very little respect for anything and avararice rules the roost.

I was brought up by parents who were doing the same thing as myself, in the time scale you mentioned, and who were also not sheep, to be browbeaten into doing things they didn't believe were right.

I guess strength of character, knowing your own mind, and following your own convictions is a learned trait...unless it's genetic.

Stumped · 21-03-2010, 17:22

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Well, obviously they're my views. But are you saying no one else is entitled to a point of view except you?

Absolutely not. My views are my own, but that does not mean I am not open to the views of others, which sites like this permit us to discuss in sensible debate - even though some of us do tend to rise to the bait more than others!

garinda · 21-03-2010, 17:24

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Well, obviously they're my views. But are you saying no one else is entitled to a point of view except you?

Perhaps 'the usual suspects, crawling out', refers to the politically blinkered, one party line followers, who keep bangin' out the same old guff, and not free to speak their own mind, for fear of damaging a particular party.

Happily not applicable to thee and me, Wynonie.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/s...archid=2162989

Wynonie Harris · 21-03-2010, 17:25

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Originally Posted by Stumped

Absolutely not. My views are my own, but that does not mean I am not open to the views of others, which sites like this permit us to discuss in sensible debate - even though some of us do tend to rise to the bait more than others!

Well, as you're the one who's banging on about people "crawling out of the woodwork" I would say you've taken it, hook, line and sinker...only my view, not yours of course.

garinda · 21-03-2010, 17:30

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Well, as you're the one who's banging on about people "crawling out of the woodwork" I would say you've taken it, hook, line and sinker...only my view, not yours of course.

That cheese must be rancid.

They at least deserve fresh.

Stumped · 21-03-2010, 17:31

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Originally Posted by garinda

I was brought up by parents who were doing the same thing as myself, in the time scale you mentioned, and who were also not sheep, to be browbeaten into doing things they didn't believe were right.

I guess strength of character, knowing your own mind, and following your own convictions is a learned trait...unless it's genetic.

Life does indeed deal us some harsh lessons from time to time. The lessons I learned from my early experiences with union membership scarred me for life. The company I worked for was deemed a closed shop, hence my change of career on completing my apprenticeship, since which time I have looked upon union activity with a suspicion that has failed to mellow with time.

Barrie Yates · 21-03-2010, 17:32

I must point out that in the '50s it was necessary to be a Trade Union member - if you weren't then you didn't get a job. Every factory was a Trade Union Shop - legally I believe. Mrs Thatcher did away with that law I think, and gave freedom of choice to the individual. Didn't affect me at all - 18 years in the RAF and then an expat, in the US and ME

Less · 21-03-2010, 17:33

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Well, as you're the one who's banging on about people "crawling out of the woodwork" I would say you've taken it, hook, line and sinker...only my view, not yours of course.

Please Sir, Oooh! please, please, me, Sir, me, Can I crawl out of the woodwork? It will make a nice change from being told to get back under the stone I crawled out from.

Stumped · 21-03-2010, 17:34

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

Well, as you're the one who's banging on about people "crawling out of the woodwork" I would say you've taken it, hook, line and sinker...only my view, not yours of course.

Touche!!!

If we can but cease the verbal squabbling for a time, can we get back to the crux of the debate as regards the why's and wherefore's of the current and threatened industrial actions which are sure to cost all concerned dearly - not to mention the country as a whole!