who is this Daniel Hannan guy

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by claytonender

Also have you any suggestions, as to where the pupils at these schools should be educated if they closed.

Yes, new schools would be set up by independent organisations rather than the state. Competition reduces cost and frees up more money to spend on pupils and better teachers.

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by claytonender

Andrew
Thank you for informing me of something I already knew - but I still fail to see how mentioning the US Constitution has any relevance to the UK. Maybe you could explain.

She was talking about the US education and health system, Garinda mentioned defence. The constitution which allows the US education system not to be controlled by the federal state, does allow it to take care of defence

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Yes, new schools would be set up by independent organisations rather than the state. Competition reduces cost and frees up more money to spend on pupils and better teachers.

Which 'independent organisations'?

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

Which 'independent organisations'?

Communities, philanthropists, existing working schools, co-operates..

[garinda]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Communities, philanthropists, existing working schools, co-operates..

So in times of recession, bankruptcies, redundancies etc., children's education would suffer because of lack of funds at certain schools?

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by garinda

So in times of recession, bankruptcies, redundancies etc., children's education would suffer because of lack of funds at certain schools?

Not at all no. Sweden did the same in the time of recession and it dramatically improved their education system.

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by andrewb

She was talking about the US education and health system, Garinda mentioned defence. The constitution which allows the US education system not to be controlled by the federal state, does allow it to take care of defence

I fully understand what Garinda was posting about, just fail to see where the US constitution fits into this argument.. You don't have the monopoly on intelligence. Some of us have received our education in the great university of life and speak from many years of experience, rather than the book learning you pontificate from.

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Yes, new schools would be set up by independent organisations rather than the state. Competition reduces cost and frees up more money to spend on pupils and better teachers.

Andrew have you asked David Cameron if it is permissable to quote these views about schools.

What happens when the competition has forced all other competitors out of business - then they can charge what they want. This really is devil take the hindmost thinking

I will quote what one of your Facebook friends has just posted - 'Seriously though, those who rely on state intervention and handouts will never be able to better themselves. The poor are a blemish on our society.'

Could you tell us what your views are on their statement?

[Eric]

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb

Unlike others on this thread you have grasped the gist of it. In actuality, we do fund local schools with property taxes. The biggest percentage of my annual property tax bill is for education. As long as we are spending that kind of dough, I want decisions regarding education to be made here within the community and not by some DC bureaucrat. Apparently, that's just too hard for some people to understand.

I find myself agreeing with you on this .... (yes, I am sober) ... most of my property taxes go to fund education. And I do vote to choose members of my local school board. The Federal Govt. has no say in education (apart from schools on First Nations Territory); but the Province of Ontario, which tosses in about $30 billion into the education pot does set very firm guidelines in order to insure that there are some province wide standards. There are some things that would appear strange to many, like the public funding of a Roman Catholic Separate School system ... but that comes from concessions made in 1867, in the British North America Act. However, before I po Claytonender, I will say that I also like "decisions regarding education to be made here within the community and not by some (Ottawa) bureaucrat."

[BERNADETTE]

Originally Posted by claytonender

Andrew have you asked David Cameron if it is permissable to quote these views about schools.

What happens when the competition has forced all other competitors out of business - then they can charge what they want. This really is devil take the hindmost thinking

I will quote what one of your Facebook friends has just posted - 'Seriously though, those who rely on state intervention and handouts will never be able to better themselves. The poor are a blemish on our society.'

Could you tell us what your views are on their statement?

I saw that quote on Facebook and find it very insulting, just hope whoever wrote the quote never falls on hard times

[claytonender]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

I saw that quote on Facebook and find it very insulting, just hope whoever wrote the quote never falls on hard times

They were my exact thoughts as well.

[BERNADETTE]

Originally Posted by claytonender

They were my exact thoughts as well.

It is no fun when you are unable to work and have to rely on the state without reading remarks like that from pretensious little gits who have probably never done a days graft in their lifes!!!!

[andrewb]

Originally Posted by claytonender

Andrew have you asked David Cameron if it is permissable to quote these views about schools.

What happens when the competition has forced all other competitors out of business - then they can charge what they want. This really is devil take the hindmost thinking

You'd fund them with vouchers same value per pupil as state schools so you wouldn't get that problem.

No I haven't consulted David Cameron, what a silly question.

[Mancie]

Originally Posted by andrewb

Not at all no. Sweden did the same in the time of recession and it dramatically improved their education system.

Well that's it all sorted then..if Sweden did it then it must be the best way forward.

[Eric]

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

I saw that quote on Facebook and find it very insulting, just hope whoever wrote the quote never falls on hard times

Talking about those who rely on state handouts etc.: where does that leave GM, Chrysler, AIG, etc. .... blemishes on society maybe.