Manchester Dogs Home Fire - Page 7

Margaret Pilkington · 17-09-2014, 10:52

Well if you did perchance meet this person and her dog Frisky......I am sure you would be able to hold your own.
The canal on a dark night is to be avoided. You might fall in and drown(or die of the poison).

westendlass · 17-09-2014, 10:53

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Yes, hopefully she will enlighten me.
I'm only curious as Pitbull's grow upto 5 stone+ But you don't see many English bulls etc that grow so big.

He's a Staffordshire bull terrier Accyx, I've even asked when he's been to the vets if they thought he may be a cross breed and two different vets assured me he's not. Apparently, they can be all different shapes and sizes and he just happens to be at the large end of the scale. When we got him I also relied on the fact that he'd been assessed in the rescue centre, I don't think they'd be in the habit of rehoming pit bulls to the general public!

westendlass · 17-09-2014, 11:16

[QUOTE=DtheP47;1117321]OK west endless your dog may be all sweetness and light, the exception that proves the rule maybe? So why do I see more and more people out walking their dogs carrying sticks these days? No not the fetch it Fido type of stick more the crook or cudgel type. It's just an observation but it does seem more and more the trend this last few years.[/QUObreedwIts not the breed of dog that's the problem with attacks its the idiots who walk them without proper control. Our dog was attacked last year at the end of our path when my son was setting off on a walk and some bloke (in his sixties) thought it was OK to walk his Alsatian along off the lead. The dog launched itself at Arnold and put four puncture wounds under his neck. If he was an aggressive dog he could have taken its head off but, as I mentioned before, he's soft and came off worse. Our last dog was a little Border Lakeland and he too was attacked by a (different) Alsatian off the lead being walked by an older man. People are too quick to tar every Bull breed with the same brush but any breed can be aggressive and its the person in control of the dog who's to blame (and they're not always young thugs either)!

Accyexplorer · 17-09-2014, 13:09

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Originally Posted by westendlass

He's a Staffordshire bull terrier Accyx, I've even asked when he's been to the vets if they thought he may be a cross breed and two different vets assured me he's not. Apparently, they can be all different shapes and sizes and he just happens to be at the large end of the scale. When we got him I also relied on the fact that he'd been assessed in the rescue centre, I don't think they'd be in the habit of rehoming pit bulls to the general public!

Thanks for clearing this up for me, so he's not just a "bull terrier" (or English bull terrier) he's a 'Staffordshire' bull terrier ( a very large one).

I've never heard of a staff that's grown that big and personally I think the vets and rescue centre are wrong and he is a cross (probably the most common dog found in rescue centres after the "status dog" boom).

I don't see why rescue centres don't re home pit bulls,they are a good breed in my eyes.
I've a close friend with a pit bull terrier (not that he'd openly admit to it) and it's been to the vets numourous times....they say he's a black mouthed cur or staff cross (I can assure you they are wrong).

Anyway, regardless of breed he sounds like a lovely hound, thanks again

Margaret Pilkington · 17-09-2014, 13:23

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

I've never heard of a staff that's grown that big and personally I think the vets and rescue centre are wrong and he is a cross (probably the most common dog found in rescue centres after the "status dog" boom).

Anyway, regardless of breed he sounds like a lovely hound, thanks again

I am sure they would be required to check and make sure he is a Staffordshire Bull terrier before they could re-home him...after all if it was found that he was a mix of one of the Pit Bull terriers and something happened they would be liable for not pointing this out to the family the animal was rehomed to.

There is a potential danger with all dogs...and especially those who are from the rescue centres as in many cases very little is known about their past and their background.

Accyexplorer · 17-09-2014, 13:45

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I am sure they would be required to check and make sure he is a Staffordshire Bull terrier before they could re-home him...after all if it was found that he was a mix of one of the Pit Bull terriers and something happened they would be liable for not pointing this out to the family the animal was rehomed to.

I'm not trying to be clever M but how would/can they check and make sure?
I don't think there is any true way of telling without seeing its parents.
It could be 75% staff and 25% other, to look at it would be a staff but technically it's a cross.

If anything did happen it would be up to whoever makes the claim that's its (let's say) a pit bull cross to prove it was a pit bull cross and not for the rescue centre to prove it isn't.Since very little would be known about its past (ie it's parents) I don't think it'd be possible.

gpick24 · 17-09-2014, 13:46

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

...personally I think the vets and rescue centre are wrong and he is a cross (probably the most common dog found in rescue centres after the "status dog" boom).

Why do you think you know better than two vets and rescue centre staff who have actually seen this dog in the flesh, when all you have is a brief description and a small pic (Westendlasses avatar) to go off?

Margaret Pilkington · 17-09-2014, 13:57

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

I'm not trying to be clever M but how would/can they check and make sure?
I don't think there is any true way of telling without seeing its parents.
It could be 75% staff and 25% other, to look at it would be a staff but technically it's a cross.

If anything did happen it would be up to whoever makes the claim that's its (let's say) a pit bull cross to prove it was a pit bull cross and not for the rescue centre to prove it isn't.Since very little would be known about its past (ie it's parents) I don't think it'd be possible.

I wasn't saying that you were trying to be clever, but it the job of vets to be able to determine these things.
Doggie DNA perhaps.
When the police want to know if a dog is on the list of banned dogs, what do they do?
They get the assistance and better knowledge of those who do know. Vets.
They are trained to know what to look for...and they have a responsibility to ensure they know what they are doing.

Accyexplorer · 17-09-2014, 14:00

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Originally Posted by gpick24

Why do you think you know better than two vets and rescue centre staff who have actually seen this dog in the flesh, when all you have is a brief description and a small pic (Westendlasses avatar) to go off?

Because I've had numourous dogs,Staffordshire bull terrier being one of them.Also I've done voluntary work at a dogs rescue centre and I've never heard of a pure staff weighing 5stone...it's only my opinion g (one that I'm entitled too) it may well be that I'm wrong,it wouldn't be the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last

Less · 17-09-2014, 14:05

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Because I've had numourous dogs,Staffordshire bull terrier being one of them.Also I've done voluntary work at a dogs rescue centre and I've never heard of a pure staff weighing 5stone...it's only my opinion g (one that I'm entitled too) it may well be that I'm wrong,it wouldn't be the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last

Why don't you just accept that there are more knowledgeable people than you instead of just assuming that your conclusions and half facts must carry some weight?

Accyexplorer · 17-09-2014, 14:07

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

I wasn't saying that you were trying to be clever, but it the job of vets to be able to determine these things.
Doggie DNA perhaps.
When the police want to know if a dog is on the list of banned dogs, what do they do?
They get the assistance and better knowledge of those who do know. Vets.
They are trained to know what to look for...and they have a responsibility to ensure they know what they are doing.

Well I know for a fact that not just one vet but two have both seen my friends dog (which is a pitbull ) and they say it's a completely different breed.
As you know M 'so called' professionals can sometimes be wrong.

Margaret Pilkington · 17-09-2014, 14:13

Those called on by Rescue centres will have a responsibility to make sure they are right.
No rescue centre would home a dog that they thought, or suspected for an instance, was from the list of banned dogs...there would be serious legal implications to their decision......I'm talking about reputable rehoming centres.....some of the rehoming centres are less reputable than others.
As a potential owner, anyone responsible for the care of an animal would want to know(and would ask for) as many details as were available.
But this has come a long way off thread from the original topic and if we don't get back then we will be in danger of getting detention.....lines...or maybe even the 'slipper'.

Accyexplorer · 17-09-2014, 14:21

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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington

the 'slipper'.

The slipper

,now that's a blast from the past.
Mother was a deadly shot with the slipper, but that's another story

Getting back to the topic in hand I believe the total raised is 1.5 million (and counting) them dogs are going to be better off than the royal corgi's at this rate.

gpick24 · 17-09-2014, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Accyexplorer

Because I've had numourous dogs,Staffordshire bull terrier being one of them.Also I've done voluntary work at a dogs rescue centre and I've never heard of a pure staff weighing 5stone...it's only my opinion g (one that I'm entitled too) it may well be that I'm wrong,it wouldn't be the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last

Of course you are allowed your opinions, but to say you know better than a vet because you`ve owned a staffie before and to suggest that because you`ve never heard of something it doesn`t exist, well I find that just plain arrogant, my opinion which i`m entitled to also.

Accyexplorer · 17-09-2014, 15:01

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Originally Posted by gpick24

Of course you are allowed your opinions, but to say you know better than a vet because you`ve owned a staffie before and to suggest that because you`ve never heard of something it doesn`t exist, well I find that just plain arrogant, my opinion which i`m entitled to also.

Someone's got their panties in a twist today, "arrogant", No I don't believe I'm superior to anyone........perhaps you mean Less ?