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Anyone thinking or have gone down that line or like me have no interest whatsoever in them. i,ll carry on as long as i can with my early 90,s diesel peugeots if inly to P off the lefty,s.

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Nah mate, Polar Bear harrasing, tree hugger annoying, St Greta dissing (whats happened to the little pigtailed troll anyways? Been awfully quiet of late), diesel van driver me & long will it remain so! ;)

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I was going to answer this thread but the battery ran out on my green keyboard.

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wish you could do a double like on here. when greta goes to china and is allowed to spout her stuff to there masses i,ll have another look at the situation if only to come out with my original take on it. as her in the kitchen says, she should find a hairdresser, the make up counter, clothes advice and live like a normal teenager does. get pregnant and a council flat.

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What I want to know is....
When we all convert to electric cars(it won’t matter to me as I will probably be worm food by then) we come home from where ever we have been in them and all plug them in......will all the lights go off....the ovens shut down and all the computers go on the blink because they are sucking up so much power from a national grid that is inadequately powered by the wind turbines up on’t moors and out in the sea?

And these electric cars....how do they go on if they are full of people....on a frosty day...or a rainy one when you need the heater or the windscreen wipers?
Do you tell your passengers they have to listen to music on their phones as there is not enough juice to run the car audio.
Will you just get to the end of your road and find the ‘low power’ light flashing at you?

And on a journey on the motorway...you run out of power and to charge this beast it takes four hours....are they going to be building entertainment complexes on service stations.

We are going to be back in the times when it took three days to get to London in a stage coach.....changing horses every coaching Inn.

Just asking.
I know there are adverts that say this car will do 267 miles on a charge.....but is that in optimum conditions and with a following wind.
Plus...how many car companies have lied about emissions...isn’t this along those lines?

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Margaret you've missed the obvious, most of us around here live in terraced houses, now most of us can never even park outside our own houses so how do we re-charge these cars without miles of extension leads criss-crossing the streets causing trip hazards for all.
Even if you could park outside your own house an extension of some form would still have to be used unless they finally get Nikola Tesla Mains electricity transmitters working I don't think they'll have that anytime soon and if they did we wouldn't need battery cars we could ride around as with dodgem cars picking power up straight from the grid.

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Yes, of course you need special charging ports...and we would be unable to purchase a car without having a place to charge the dratted thing......then of course there is the thorny (non green) issue of the materials that they make batteries from.
Did you know that it takes half a million gallons of water to extract the stuff to make one KG of lithium that goes into these batteries...so anything that uses a lithium battery is anything but green.

all these children who were on Friday protests before the Pandemic...demonstrating in cities around the country...all of them had mobiles and many of those little green darlings were dropped of by parents in those less than green diesel vehicles.

We are being told that the way forward is electric.
It isn't.....because the current systems for generating the power are either unreliable(wind power) or just as damaging as gas because they rely on either fossil fuel or other far more dangerous alternatives(Chernobyl is a clue..so is Fukushima).

The move away from gas boilers for home heating is also a worry...the heat exchangers are costly to install...you need to have larger radiators to provide the same level of warmth and they need to be installed in a large space outside your property...again our homes do not fit this bill.

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Had electric cars for around 5 years now, works for us and we both like how they drive and running costs are low for us. If you get chance to drive one there's nothing really not to like.

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Except perhaps the cost...and the fact that unless you have access to a garage or a drive you are goosed.
No good if you live in a mid Victorian terraced house with no designated parking.
But if it works for you then I guess that is OK...but not an option for our needs

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I pay less a month for the electric car than I did for the diesel before it and I have no fuel or road tax costs.

Yes you really need off road parking but I've sold them to people without who use rapid chargers which take 30 minutes for at least 80% charge.

For me personally I run them because its cheaper than a petrol or diesel and saves me money :)

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So you SELL them to people!

Well, then of course you are going to promote them.

The initial outlay for one of these vehicles is a bit steep.....maybe the running costs are cheaper, but it would be no good for our needs and I would not consider one.
If it saves you money then of course you have to consider that aspect.
Maybe the prices will come down..and this may make them more acceptable.

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Yes I do sell them to people but not as many as I do petrol/diesel cars to other people so that’s not why I promote them as you say.

It’s a personal opinion and one I can make on being around these cars and actually driving and owning them.

To own one outright can be expensive however if you need to finance a car which most people do the monthly comparisons are very similar to other cars and can actually be cheaper once you take the fuel and tax savings into account.

The actual make of car we own I don’t sell but I got one because the financial deal I got on it was fantastic and we have owned them previously.

I’m no preacher of these cars but I just thought I’d put a bit of balance to some views on here, like people say there not for everyone but come 2030 if not before these will be the only new cars you can buy.

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I think that by then, my driving days will be over....
To make these changes viable....there are going to be some vast infrastructure changes needed.
These are going to be far reaching and costly....and because of the current situation, maybe they will be deferred because they are unaffordable.
Who knows.....this green dream might turn out to be a nightmare.

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i really doubt once electric vehicles become the main stream the owners will be on zero tax. plus the price of electric itself may or more likely be much higher than it presently is. possibly at the moment running on electric may be cheaper now than it will be in the future. the government needs to get their money from somewhere. it obviously will not happen but if everyone stopped smoking, only drove electric and ditched their current cars where is all this money to come from. i,m usually first in line looking for savings but i,ll never be sold over as i,d feel i,ve joined the lefties and greens by doing so. know its a cutting off my nose situation but i cannot help it. just hate the sods with a passion.

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they are not bothered about the cost as it will be passed down to us. there will be many more who will have to decide on heat or food in the winter and most will not own any vehicle. suppose anyone who dies will not be a hero but a bit of collateral damage to save a polar bear. even a half wit knows whatever some little island in the northern hemisphere does will not change any situation if half a continent does theor own thing.

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We, in the UK contribute 0.92% of emissions globally.
The climate change conference that is taking place in Glasgow soon will contribute to the carbon emissions because delegates will travel....by air to this conference.....adding tons of greenhouse gases that they want us not to be producing.
How hypocritical is that?
Especially as the technology exists for conferencing to be done remotely with very little addition to the global emissions.
If we think that converting to electric vehicles will solve these climate change issues we are deluded.
Only when countries like India, China, the US and Russia sign up to these treaties will Co2 levels fall(and even that is in doubt).
The biggest issue in the climate change debate is overpopulation.
But don’t worry Bill Gates and his cohorts have a handle on this.

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or a case just do as i do because i can afford it and sod off if you cannot as you are only jealous because you cannot. one thing for sure is that us oldies where those who are in the fuel poverty league will be heard less and less about as prices soar as it will not fit their agendas.

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Hmmm, and there was me thinking an honest salesperson would only sell a product he would be prepared to use himself. How gullible I really am, next thing you know I might start believing in global warming and preaching about our need to be green (if it makes me a quick buck as well that can only be a plus for me).

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The elite will continue to fly....to travel to exotic places....to stay warm, eat meat....and anything else that takes their fancy.
It is just we plebs that they want to preach to.....eat plants, live in a cave, go to bed when it’s dark...and if you can’t walk where you need to be then you can’t go.
Not a rosy future is it?

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Hahaha so if you work for Ford you can only buy a Ford ? If you work for BMW you can only drive them ? It’s actually the Wife’s car I do drive a car for the brand I work for and actually that’s electric as well.

Like a said before I have them because they save me money no other reason I’m certainly not a green convert etc. Just wanted to say the cars are actually ok not trying to convert anyone there not for everyone as it’s been mentioned.

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I agree once we’ve all got them the tax will come back and charges for electric will go through the roof, they will get their money back somewhere.

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i think it will be a damn long time before we all get them, so yeh should be ok with costs for a good while yet shurm. i would pack in driving before i got one personally,

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Yeah hopefully, I used to hate them with a passion years ago but with having to sell them I gradually got used to them then realised with no fuel or tax to pay my overall costs were actually cheaper !!

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If electric cars are going to be a viable concern, then there needs to be a lot of investment in the infrastructure that would support this.
I think maybe Hydrogen powered vehicles would be a better development.
They count as electric vehicles, because they are powered by an electric motor....the only emissions are heat and water.
There are some Hydrogen vehicles available..but at what cost....Toyota and Hyundai are both looking at the further development of vehicles....the problem currently is that there are very few refuelling stations.....so again investment needed to support these.

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Now you're being silly, I don't expect that you or any other salesperson will ever apply higher principles to these or any other products because there isn't really such a beast as an honest salesperson, all sales are based on profit not what is best for the customer and just like all members of the public, salesmen/women react to greed and the best deals for themselves.

I don't consider you or others within your trade to be any different to the rest of us.
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[QUOTE=Shurm;1255839]Hahaha so if you work for Ford you can only buy a Ford ? If you work for BMW you can only drive them ?

funny that. when i worked in coventry we used to take buses to ryton when peugeots were being built there. you saw the workers driving their cars away but hardly ever saw a peugeot of any model amongst them.

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Plenty of Beamers in & out the gates at Münich, also lots of VW's in & out at Wolfsburg, I believe Opel gave their staff massive discounts if they bought an Opel of some description.

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Lets face it, it's a frog mobile, sooner wear a sign saying I'm an alphabettie than personally pay for & own a frog transporter.

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IMO electric cars may be nice to drive, have lower refuel costs etc.
However the no tax bit will end once the take up is enough, because that's our governments for you.

Being in a terraced house I cannot see me ever having one as I don't want to fight for the nearest charge point (of which there will be very few) nor do I want the repeat cost of replacing the batteries after these quick charges have goosed them (and it does).

The plan is doomed, doomed I tell ya! :)

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ITS NOT DOOMED I THINK COS THERES TOO many knob heads that infest earth theses days.

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There are going to have to be some serous UTurns in the not too distant future.
The UK has something in the region of 32 million vehicles on the road.....and it has not the generating capacity to refuel all of these if everyone decided that they would go electric.

Not only that, but the way that electricity is generated right now is still reliant on non green sources.
Wind power is inefficient.....when there is no wind to turn these turbines where does the power get generated?
When it is too windy these turbines have to be turned off.
We cannot rely on Solar power as that also is a very unreliable source of power.....yes some panels will produce some energy from light, but not enough to refuel the electric vehicles that the politicians hope that we will all adopt before 2030.
It is pure fantasy that we can achieve this target.

If we reduced our carbon emissions to zero, it would make very little difference to the global climate because those countries who produce the largest amount of emissions will do nothing at all about it....they will not saddle their manufacturers with the problems that going green requires.
Population is the biggest driver of global climate changes.

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at least i,ve found an issue we can disagree on. tried mercs and never had a reliable one. audi,s sound too much like a supermarket with high maintainance costs and BMW seems the must have transport for drug dealers especially if black with heavy tinted glass.

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do not worry too much margaret. after we are all ashes there will be a few years of lower than average world wide temperatures, lower rainfall and sunny days. there will be a new swedish kid on the block shouting about the new ice age and we,d have to save some tropics species that are dying out with the cold and having to live with polar bears living in populated areas.

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That's a bit of a broad stereotype isn't it? Not all the BLM are drug dealers, most are just customers.
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It is too late in the game for me to be worried about myself....as you say I am close to the worm food scenario...but there is not much for those who come after us, to look forward to

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possibly the first time that those who are born today are in for a worse life than their parents, grandparents and great grandparents ever had. doubt the words of you do not know when you are born will ever get used again unless there is a big change that i for one cannot see happening. at least old time science fiction looked positive. writing the same stuff now would make 1984 look quite tame.

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Don't bother packing your winter Parka mate, when the easily offended are finished with you, you'll be on the midnight special express straight to Hell for that little quip. :D:D

As to the cars, can't really say I'm a fan of the "Big" German cars, (most of our cars have been Fords) in fact when I got here in the 80's, the big Mercs where used as Taxi's or "Turken Kutche" (Turkish coaches, to fit their extended families in) kinda puts a damper on the idea of the big Mercs being a classy car.

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You missed the es