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Old 26-08-2020, 15:25   #76
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Isn't the Bosman ruling now incorporated in UEFA rules and so would still apply?
Yes youre right but some aspects of it [ work permits for example ] people think are part of Bosman but theyre actually not and are enforced by individual counties statute and EU legislation.
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Old 26-08-2020, 15:36   #77
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Correct.
No change going forward Brexit or no Brexit.
Incorrect

Theres quite a lot that will be affected by us leaving the EU for example at the minute the terms on which we issue/refuse work permits is ultimately dictated by EU law once we leave we will be free to decide our own terms and decide who we give work permits to and could if we wanted we could revert to the old system and only issue to players with full international caps [ That would definitely screw Chelsea and Arsenal over ]
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Old 26-08-2020, 17:04   #78
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Im not going to argue with you mate but you need to research this.
Start by looking at European countries not in the Community.
Governed by UEFA.
We could do our own thing and get expelled then we could just have our own little knock about and watch all the foreigners disappear.
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Old 26-08-2020, 19:50   #79
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My glasses might need upgraded but the picture of the keeper at Bolton looks very much like Jason Luietwieler.
My glasses must be ok played the first 45 minutes in the friendly against Rovers at Brockhall and Wilhelm Tomlinson made another appearance.
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Old 28-08-2020, 10:18   #80
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Im not going to argue with you mate but you need to research this.
Start by looking at European countries not in the Community.
Governed by UEFA.
We could do our own thing and get expelled then we could just have our own little knock about and watch all the foreigners disappear.
So lets get this straight you believe UEFA can dictate to the British Govenment their work permit policy once we leave the EU ?

The whole point of leaving the EU is that these foreigners can no longer dictate to us what we can and cant do I.m pretty sure there will be any number of Tory Brexit MP.s who will be more than happy to tell them where to go if they tried to.
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Old 28-08-2020, 10:49   #81
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Regardless of our permit status etc where football is concerned we are governed by UEFA.
No problem in refusing to abide by their rules they will just expel us.
Is that what you want ?
Turning away from football if you seriously think we're not going to do a deal with our "European" friends on work permits etc ............. and employment law ...........get with the programme.
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Old 28-08-2020, 10:52   #82
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Here is an extract from a Barrister we use a lot. Interesting slant on the number of players.

The Court also considered national and UEFA rules governing maximum numbers of foreign players allowed in teams – this is often disregarded when the Bosman ruling is discussed, but it was similarly important. Again, that such rules can pose a restriction is obvious; a club in France will be less likely to make a move for a Belgian player if they are only allowed to field two non-French players in any given line-up. UEFA tried to run a justification defence once more, arguing that for wholly sporting reasons the safeguarding of a national core to team squads was valid. Somewhat predictably, the Court rejected UEFA’s arguments again – clubs must be free to sign and field any number of players of any EU nationality.

This provides one of the most interesting areas for potential changes post-Brexit. UEFA is of course distinct from the EU, so the FA will retain membership after withdrawal from the Union – continued membership in a European body still subject to EU rules will inevitably limit the scope for change following withdrawal. In particular, the Bosman rule in respect of free transfers is likely to survive in the UK to the extent that clubs will still be unable to demand a transfer fee for a move that takes place following the expiry of a player’s contract.
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Old 28-08-2020, 10:55   #83
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So lets get this straight you believe UEFA can dictate to the British Govenment their work permit policy once we leave the EU ?

The whole point of leaving the EU is that these foreigners can no longer dictate to us what we can and cant do I.m pretty sure there will be any number of Tory Brexit MP.s who will be more than happy to tell them where to go if they tried to.
I agree with your sentiment, Northernsoul, but the EU and UEFA are two different organisations.
The latter is the Union of European Football Associations, and I believe our four nations’ FAs are fully paid-up and compliant members.
It would require something like the Premier League to completely break away from any such organisations and set up its own competitions as rivals to the European Championships and Europa (Consolation) Cup to ignore UEFA rules.
Paradoxically, the most likely way that might happen would be if a Euro (or even Global) Super League was formed for the big boys to play in (and never get relegated from!).
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Regardless of our permit status etc where football is concerned we are governed by UEFA.
No problem in refusing to abide by their rules they will just expel us.
Is that what you want ?
Turning away from football if you seriously think we're not going to do a deal with our "European" friends on work permits etc ............. and employment law ...........get with the programme.
doubt if many stanley fans will give a stuff if UEFA expel us.
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Old 28-08-2020, 10:57   #85
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So, 12th September - at the moment - sees the start of Stanley's 15th season in the Football League

As with every season, players go and players come.

These are the men charged with keeping us on the edge of our seats and in League 1

Toby Savin.

Mark Hughes, Joe Maguire, Harvey Rodgers, Ross Sykes, Callum Johnson, Reagan Ogle, Cameron Burgess.

Zehn Mohammed, Lamine Sherif, Joe Pritchard, Sam Finley, Seamus Conneely, Sean McConville, Ben Barclay, Harry Perritt.

Colby Bishop, Dion Charles. Niall Watson????
Please tell me if I have missed anybody

17 - possibly 18 - players on the books at the moment and whilst we have a team - nothing against young Savin - we need a keeper minimum.

So, what do we need??
Who plays?
Coley has stated "The Reds had the biggest squad they have ever had last season and Coleman says next season will be different.

“We will be working with a much smaller squad,” said the Stanley boss.
" Does anybody think so??
Coley has also stated he is looking at 2, or 3 more signings (GK/CM/CF) ???

Let the discussions begin

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Old 28-08-2020, 11:01   #86
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doubt if many stanley fans will give a stuff if UEFA expel us.
True mate.
About as much as Bosman will affect us.
However the issue was raised.
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Old 28-08-2020, 12:01   #87
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Here is an extract from a Barrister we use a lot. Interesting slant on the number of players.

The Court also considered national and UEFA rules governing maximum numbers of foreign players allowed in teams – this is often disregarded when the Bosman ruling is discussed, but it was similarly important. Again, that such rules can pose a restriction is obvious; a club in France will be less likely to make a move for a Belgian player if they are only allowed to field two non-French players in any given line-up. UEFA tried to run a justification defence once more, arguing that for wholly sporting reasons the safeguarding of a national core to team squads was valid. Somewhat predictably, the Court rejected UEFA’s arguments again – clubs must be free to sign and field any number of players of any EU nationality.

This provides one of the most interesting areas for potential changes post-Brexit. UEFA is of course distinct from the EU, so the FA will retain membership after withdrawal from the Union – continued membership in a European body still subject to EU rules will inevitably limit the scope for change following withdrawal. In particular, the Bosman rule in respect of free transfers is likely to survive in the UK to the extent that clubs will still be unable to demand a transfer fee for a move that takes place following the expiry of a player’s contract.
Youre still missing the point

You seem to be trying to claim that UEFA can have say in the British Governments work permit legislation once we leave the EU which quite honestly is totally ridiculous or are you trying to say that some stupid UEFA regulation trumps a soverign nations statute and laws ?

There clearly has to be a way that EUFA deal with it because i.m pretty certain that in the vast number of cases its almost impossible to get a work permit in Switzerland whether you come from the EU or elsewhere and if i.m not mistaken the Swiss are members of UEFA in fact isnt that where they are based.

I.d be pretty sure that in law UEFA couldnt expel a European Non EU country on the basis that they dont like a law that countrys government enacted i would think everything would go along as it does now until it reaches the work permit stage where when the player concerned was refused one that would be the end of the matter.The clubs would have gone thru the UEFA rigmarole but theres then nothing UEFA can do if a governments immigration law then kicks in and puts a stop to it.

Its a bit like the Racism thing in Eastern Europe they can have as many regulations about it as they like but if that countrys laws dont outlaw it theres absolutely nothing they can do to enforce it other than keep issuing tiny little fines.

And do you really think they would expel the country who provides a good proportion of their income because if they did they will find themselves in the same position as the EU have scratching their heads and wondering how they are going to make up the missing cash.

For me anything thats stops the likes of Chelsea bringing over here literally hundreds of African kids and sticking them in their academies to the detriment of British kids is nothing but a good idea. The whole point of Brexit is that we stop pandering to foreigners and put British people first and that includes aspiring young British footballers.

Personally i wouldnt allow in any foreign player that doesnt have a minimum of 10 full caps.
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Old 28-08-2020, 12:28   #88
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You need to update this Joe - new midfielder signed on season long loan from Newcastle
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Old 28-08-2020, 12:28   #89
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Niall Watson been over at Southport last few games, scored a hat trick in their last preseason game.

Another signing, this time Mo Sangare from Newcastle United. Midfielder.

6 possible CM's now (Conneely, Finley, Barclay, Lamine Kaba-Sherif, Butcher, Sangare)
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Old 28-08-2020, 13:14   #90
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Niall Watson been over at Southport last few games, scored a hat trick in their last preseason game.

Another signing, this time Mo Sangare from Newcastle United. Midfielder.

6 possible CM's now (Conneely, Finley, Barclay, Lamine Kaba-Sherif, Butcher, Sangare)
Sangare and Barclay can also double up as defender,s.
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