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How about you answer #898 ?
You compared Morecambe to Sheffield Wednesday and inferred / implied their cases were similar and Wednesday got leniency because they could afford a “better lawyer”
Nonsense.

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Don't pick on Morecambe never mentioned them case thrown out.

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They only didnt fulfil the fixtures because the league stopped them from doing so Workington cancelled a game in exactly the same circumstances and their punishment was none whatsoever.

The stadium did have a safety certificate and this only came to light because the FL went telling tales It involved a certain officer not being in position and at least two other clubs offered to lend them a qualified person but once again the FL refused and forced them to cancel the game.

And thats before we go to the fact that the FL told Plymouth 2days earlier that the game was off now how would they know that if it wasnt down to them ?

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Quite frankly i think your attititude stinks

Why on earth are you in favour of punishing the fans and staff of a club who are totally innocent in all of this ?

When sat at the FL are the people who appoved their owner when he took the FPPT yet what responsibility are they taking Absolutely none.

But then when it comes to SWFC who have a very rich owner whos well known for reaching for the legal remedy what do they do ? Yeah give them a slap on wrists when a fine the size of what they sold the ground for would have been much more appropriate as i said one rule for the rich and one for the poor But then again with a knob like Nixon involved what do we expect no doubt he.ll be on a nice back hander from his mate Wallace now that the jobs done.

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Quite frankly i think your attititude stinks

Why on earth are you in favour of punishing the fans and staff of a club who are totally innocent in all of this ?

When sat at the FL are the people who appoved their owner when he took the FPPT yet what responsibility are they taking Absolutely none.

But then when it comes to SWFC who have a very rich owner whos well known for reaching for the legal remedy what do they do ? Yeah give them a slap on wrists when a fine the size of what they sold the ground for would have been much more appropriate as i said one rule for the rich and one for the poor But then again with a knob like Nixon involved what do we expect no doubt he.ll be on a nice back hander from his mate Wallace now that the jobs done.

Why SWFC are even still in existance is a mystery to me Why they wernt sued into oblivion over the state of the ground the day the 96 died is beyond me Plod took the blame becuse their top man lost the plot on the day Whereas SWFC had deliberately ignored work they were told to do for 5 years in order to save money if nothing else they should have been hung out to dry over the bolt cutter fact alone but all this was swept under the carpet with assistance from the FL and FA.

I really do hope that when Charlton sort themselves out they take it legal because their championship place was without doubt stolen and I hope they name the FL as complicit in the crime.

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Ive had better days ...... Macclesfield doh.

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Strange that .... Wednesday fans not innocent then ?

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just wonder if all this is a case of prefering one club and not the other. if you do not like a certain club, and this is from a fans view and not the EFL, you can be happy if one gets away with things whilst the other does not. is it the dislike of stevenage where people are attempting to excuse macclesfield of their points deduction that sends em back into non league. is it knocking of sheff.wed. as they are still regarded as a big club and exist on another level to stanley. as far as lawyers are concerned all cases in law will never be exactly the same and i doubt the lawyers of macclesfield were not a little back street solicitor doing the job on legal aid. from a personal point of view as just a fan i was quite happy with the macclesfield situation itself as its a club i do not like. however this does not mean that the decision was correct.

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Social media is mostly peoples' opinions, based on no actual knowledge, presented as absolute fact which, when challenged, leads to personal abuse. What a great invention ...

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Whether they were innocent or not i think the lives [and deaths] of 96 fellow football fans should have come first and their relatives should have seen justice in the bulldozers moving into Hillsborough.

Instead what happened was they were allowed to bolt seats onto the terraces where those fans died.

And no i dont see them as innocent they should have been reporting their own club each week over the steward/bolt cutter issue because what happend to Liverpool fans at the Leppings Lane could just as easily happened to Wednesday fans on the Kop.

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No more comment from me I find some of your recent statements distasteful.

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TOUGH

What i find distastefull is 96 people died, every single report found the club culpable to a greater or lesser extent.

And how were they punished a massive fine ? proper charges in court ? Major improvements to the ground ? Were they hell as like they were given a slap on the hand and club secretary put before a court 20 years later on some Micky Mouse charge [ Take look at the time at least 2 Wednesday directors were up to their necks in it at [ as it was then ] Preston Docks.

And just for reference after the previous disaster on that scale Rangers were ordered to bulldoze 3 sides of the Ibrox stadium.

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[QUOTE=NORTHERNSOUL;1243647]TOUGH

What i find distastefull is 96 people died, every single report found the club culpable to a greater or lesser extent.

think most people do. however i did not follow the case all that closely but never heard about sheffield wednesday being blamed from liverpool fans i did hear from. it was the police and their running of the situation and that seems about it. honestly, have you a thing about everything associated with sheffield wednesday from fans down to the tea lady.

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Bit of great news Sponsor,s What More Ltd, to remain in new 3 year deal fantastic.

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[QUOTE=monkey hanger;1243650]No not at all

But to put it into perspective Macclesfield effectively ejected from the league for paying a few grand in wages a few weeks late Sheffield Wednesday ignore dozens of recomendations with regards to the safety of Hillsborough killing 96 people and they get a slap on the wrist.

They had been told at the start of the previous 3 seasons that they had to leave the perimiter gates open as their evacuation plan at both the Leppings lane and Kop contained reference to onto the pitch being part of that plan when they claimed that would compromise stadium security they had been told to position a steward eqpt with a set of bolt cutters at every gate in the fence on the day of the disaster not only were there no specific exit gate stewards it took them over 30 minutes to find a single pair of bolt cutters.

At the time 3 members of staff/directors of SWFC were involved with various committees etc of the Football League/FA.

All this is documented in the Scrafton report which led to the prosecution of the ground commander and the swfc club secretary Graham Mackrell but when it came to Wednesday and various other bodies who failed on that day [ South Yorkshire Ambulance being one ] their culpability was just swept under the table.

As i say the previous disaster on that scale at a football ground resulted in 3 sides of Ibrox being bulldozed in circumstance where they were no where near as culpable as SWFC.

Its always amazed me that the hillsborough families didnt go after the various corporate bodies as they could have funded the rest of their action by just getting the first one to cough up meaning they could have had justice a damm site quicker than they did.

But if you take the time to read the Hillsborough [ Scrafton ] report its an absolute literney of failure, culpability and injustice but what stands out a mile is the part that Sheffield Wednesday played in that.

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[QUOTE=NORTHERNSOUL;1243723][QUOTE=monkey hanger;1243650]



Its always amazed me that the hillsborough families didnt go after the various corporate bodies as they could have funded the rest of their action by just getting the first one to cough up meaning they could have had justice a damm site quicker than they did.

the league could have been the first one for them to have a go at as they designated hillsborugh as the ground for the game to take place at. if it wasn,t the league then the FA who appointed it. just never knew anyway why hillsborough got semi finals anyway. thought at the time the ground was looking a bit tatty and trying to park within a mile of the ground for a stranger is vertually impossible.

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hard to belive just seen my mam on the pic on fishy site dunno what she was doing yon maybe just down town doing some errands, cos she never went stanley.:) does anyone know what year that pic outside town hall was taken?

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All those years when you were a Nipper and you never knew your Mam was really a Stanley fan! ........The photo must have been a lovely surprise for you Cashy! :alright:

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it was mate but she was a Newcastle Fan lol, cos they had 2 brothers called Robledo and she liked that name. could never understand that at all, but she was irish so that must explain it?

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summer of 69
Bryan Adams famously wrote a song about it

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I wish I understood this post?

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Just a bit of nonsense CG !.. not meant to confound the unwary... or anyone else really !
( The devil made me do it !.. ;) ).

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So does Yonmon :yelrotflm:yelrotflm:yelrotflm:yelrotflm:yelrotflm :yelrotflm

Just jesting my good friend, good to see you back posting :)

:) :) :)

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Andy Holt returns to Twitter.

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not sure how much truth there is in it, but i heard a few hundred rochdale fans asked for a percentage of last seasons seaon ticket money back when offered by the club. it certainly would not surprise me if its correct.

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And getting a serious amount of crap from a load of Tranmere's plastic scousers who seem to think the rest of Lge 2 should have voted to bankrupt themselves in order to support Palios.s hair brained formula that would have saved them from relegation.

Moral of the story lads. If you dont want to be relegated dont hang about in the bottom four.

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Holt announces he is quitting twitter too after he lets us know about the losses next week.

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dont bother me,only joined cos andy holt was on never have liked it so ill pack it in as well.

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Fan engagement:

The good: https://thefsa.org.uk/news/sustain-t...ue-at-stanley/

and not so good: https://thefsa.org.uk/news/sustain-t...ionship-tests/

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More long balls than anyone else. According to this:
https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/s...2980782?page=6

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Never was a survey more accurately titled

AND it was long ……………...

:theband::theband:

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long balls and k---s . could be a new book written about joey barton.

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Rubbish? Where do they get their figures from?
https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/f...2995358?page=4

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Imperial College? :rolleyes:

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Genuinely I can't figure out where the huge minus numbers come from?

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Vote for Dion's goal: https://www.efl.com/news/2020/octobe...r-nominations/

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Congratulations to Morecambe, top of League 2, even with a negative goal difference! And Billy Kee's Coalville Town at the top of Southern League, Premier Central.

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From zero'so to heroes!
Shows you what a funny old game is football.
Last season Everton were absolutely dire. This season they're on fire & top the Premiership.
Morecambe narrowly escaped both financial & football oblivion last year - look at em now!
Oh how I'm missing my pie at the Globe arena!
Come on you Shrimps!

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plus hartlepool top of the national league. its more than a funny old game its hiilareous.

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Apparently Salford City have sacked Graham Alexander & appointed Paul Scholes as interim manager, can understand that cos Scholes did SO well managing Oldham :D

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Also a joint owner.

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Yeah, he probably had first dibs - plus it means they can't sack him :D

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Fascinating TV programme from BBC3 about Bury and Bury AFC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...-football-back

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The FA Cup 1st Round draw is creeping up on us. Chorley are already through, having got a bye in the 4th qualifying round, presumably following Macc's demise.

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Spurious statistic.

Bury defeated Darwen 6 - 2 this afternoon to record their first competitive win over them in 126 years.

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Well done the Burnley fans who choose to snub the pay for view £14.95 against West Brom., instead donating to a food Bank charity to the tune of £20000 great gesture and further proof fans have had enough of premiership greed.

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Similar story too.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54597058

Refreshing to see/hear :)

:) :) :)

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To me it also shows the difference between fans who attend and the majority of armchair supporters. Football needs radical change and soon even Andy Holt the long and often lone voice in a call for independent regulation of the game as said this morning the league,we are desperate for a bailout.

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Very good point about 'armchair supporters' Andy :)

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If we draw a step 3 level club in the FA cup at home presume no fans if drawn away fans allowed huh?

Well done lads :)
 

Another very nice move by modern day football players :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-54682166

It is just a small minority of them that are fools, in the main, most are top chaps :)

:) :) :)

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Oh flipping heck, how are we supposed to not like them now???? :)

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its easy di they are from Yorkshire.:D

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Phew! Thanks Cashy - knew there'd be something :D

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No crowds at Fa cup at whatever level it's been announced.

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Lifes a bitch.was hoping.

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Why on earth would that be?????

:confused: :confused:

:) :) :)

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Just warming us up before they say no chance of a return back to stadiums untill year 0.

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Southend FC back in court tomorrow for the unpaid £500 thousand tax bill could be ajourned again but with Chairman Ron Martin admitting to fans in a forum meeting the money isn't there. So the judgement could be a winding up order sad if so but would be interesting to see EFL,s reaction if it is this time.

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think there will be an uproar with northern fans especially in bury and macclesfield if southends punishment is seen as less severe.

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I like this idea :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54709368

:) :) :)

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Just heard that Scott Brown fractured his tibia & fibia during Warrington's game last night, the match was abandoned following his injury.
Poor lad, apparently it's a repeat of the injury he suffered while playing for Cheltenham back in 2007, best wishes for a good recovery Scott

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Some things don't change Mansfield sack Graham Coughlan.

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if he had left a week ago for another club those who sacked him would be saying, there is no loyalty in football.

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Southend have apparently settled their tax debt & the winding up order has been dismissed

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And as if by magic they pay the bill.

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Hang on a minute - 4 wins in 27 games ?
Maybe he got what he deserved.
Just have a look at the money he was given and the turnover of players in the squad.

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That's what happens when you have a ****** for a chairman telling lies up till the final hour money raised apparently with council something to do with land sales and new stadium. Should be fined for late payment of tax.

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Another club that throws money down the drain then blames manager they picked to turn club around. Mind you couldn't happen to a better club hated going there and history of fans causing a bit of bother at our place.

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This is the problem that football has when getting the begging bowl out.
Every owner tarred by the same brush so the genuinely impoverished don't get a hand out.
We deserve as a sport all we get.
No doubt he's run this down to the wire hoping for a Grant from the government or a Premier league hand out.

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So it's all the club's fault is it ?
He had a good cv.
He's failed 4 in 27.
He's sacked.
Reckon that's a lot to do with the individual.
He told them the squad needed a complete change.
They backed him.
Correct decision Mansfield.

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That's why there won't be a government bailout and in some ways I can see where they are coming from.

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Can't see Graham being too bothered he will be paid off I should imagine, but Mansfield fans usually turn on the owners they have done before interesting to see who takes the " hot" seat now.

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He will be bothered. Proud man Coggie and a dream move for him to get back nearer the family being based in Sheffield moving from Bristol to Mansfield.
However stats dont lie.

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Southend sit bottom of league 2 after drastically reducing their wage bill by getting rid of most big earners settle tax bill and still have a players wage bill of over £2 million twice that is Stanley, ok in normal times fans through the gate are a lot more than Stanley but just shows what spending above your means does chasing promotion and dreams when it goes wrong managers usually get the blame and get sacked, they have managed to wriggle there way through this time wonder if they will learn a lesson.

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in this case you are right. however there are plenty of other managers who have got the boot where there club is in the play off positions but not top of the league. if i was a football manager i,d be off like a shot for a better offer. you do not know whats round the corner at your present club and some club owners get itchy if their team has a poor run of results. football and loyalty are bad bed fellows both sides of the coin.

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If you were a football manager you would know precisely how it pans out.
If you want loyalty (both sides) buy a dog.
Enough managers have also walked away from clubs when doing well.

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Sums up to me the core of most football problems money or lack of it exapparated by the pandemic but the problems of mounting debt through the pursuit of glory were already there and now it's reaching crisis point, end of October and the furlong scheme which a lot of clubs have still been using for a lot of non match day staff or others, plenty of redundancy,s will be imminent, manager,s could become vunerable to other factors than just form.

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Every club needs a Manager Andy.
No way will a club get rid of a Manager for covid reasons.

Look at what we did ......... we're all moaning about lack of funds but didn't stop us constructing a large squad and giving the Gaffer a nice 4 year deal.

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to me its not about a large squad, more about the cost to run it ?if this one is a deal cheaper whats the problem?

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But we run completely opposite to the majority of clubs within our means and this squad has been assembled at less money apparently than last season have to take thier word on that, just shows what a good management team we have therefore tie them down. My other point clubs don't need manager,s when they have gone bust.

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I don't believe that to be the case Andy but happy to be proved wrong.

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Agreed but is it ?

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I dont honestly know only assuming it is.

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Good move :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54736847

:) :) :)

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it is good but its better when you can afford to do that imho.

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just the same as i imagine all of us have done. walked away from one job for a better financial offer. most of us show some loyalty to a firm whilst you are there but once you are outside the gates for the last time thats it.

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No loyalty were money is concerned apart from yourself and your family if you have one, fans show in the main loyalty to a particular club and look at the way they are treated.

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Sadly another of England,s greatest team has passed away rip Nobby Styles marked Eusabio out of the game in the semi and did a job on Beckenbaurer in the final another true world class player.

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he certainly was one player who you,d rather have in your side than your opponents. at least he left some memories for us all.

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He made man marking an art form.

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Tranmere sack manager after 3 months in charge with Chairman actually saying as the season could be ended early again because of Covid it doesn't give them must time for a new man,s ideas to turn it round excuses getting better.

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Apparently for anyone who is interested the kids play Fleetwood away tonight in the FA youth cup you can watch the full game on you tube live think kick off time is 6-30 pm but double check that.

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According to Fleetwood's site, it's available from 6:50:
https://www.fleetwoodtownfc.com/news...live-streamed/

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Direct link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20HdAeoSjAQ

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Sheffield Wednesday have won their appeal still guilty but had points deduction of 12 reduced to 6 who makes this **** up.

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Thanks MikeA. I have enjoyed the football but have just got fed up of the continuous foul language coming from the touch line. I know I could simply mute the volume but then you get totally no atmosphere and sounds from the players. The referees must be able to hear the swearing but are doing nothing about it! So I have exited the coverage. Simply no need for the foul language.....:eek:

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thats always happened at football games choirboy,dont bother me at all. mind have to say im nearly deaf these days lol