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Who do we want as the next manager of our wonderful club ? I am going to stick my neck out and say John Coleman and Jimmy Bell. They gave us 13 years of brilliant service and loyalty before finally being tempted to try their hand at a HIGHER level. Unlike the snake who slithered off to another club in the same division as us and Leam who appears to have gone to be Phil Neal to the snakes Graham Taylor. |
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No way Hose fer me,:eek: Never go back, Body language speaks volumes to me, n before they left, that said it all. They did a great job whilst here, but fer me had come to the end. Much prefer a new up n coming guy with stuff to prove.:)
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Coley for me - tried and tested will keep us in the league
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No way do we want them back. Paul Stephenson for me!
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Leam kept us in the league, on obviously much less wages than coley n jimmy, how would yeh suggest that would be funded Sam?:confused:
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Same way we'll have to fund any other bloke?
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For me the big question is why? Why have we lost 3 Managers in such a short time, not one of them where sacked or pushed; ok maybe some where pushed, no one is saying so we won't get to know.
John and Jimmy for me; yes Coleys body language was significant prior to his departure; but again why? The Board; Money; Single personality clash, what! Wages not paid. CCJ's. Managers diving overboard after pulling off one of the best survival efforts in ages. Something is very wrong somewhere. |
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I can understand where you are coming from Cashy with a young, hungry manager and I agree that it would be ideal.
Only problem is that we keep getting our fingers burned, when they get 12 months under their belt and think they're the new Sir Alex and sod off somewhere else. We need a bit of stability and i don't reckon the dynamic duo would be as hasty to move on again, should the chance come. It's hard enough having to start rebuilding the squad from scratch every summer, without having to do it with the manager too. I have a feeling that Mr Beattie may be asked to step up, but who knows..... The only loyalty in football these days is us fans. |
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Aye but would they work fer far less money?:confused: Doubt it meself,:confused: Were as a young hungry type we could afford. thats my logic.
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I'm not one for bringing back past managers because in most instances it never seems to work, but, after saying that I doubt if we can have a hugh list of people to pick from on our budget. I just hope that whoever we get can keep most of the players, we don't want to start next season with another new squad.
I am also upset by the fact that we seem to becoming a copy of Blackburn Rovers with such a turnover in managers. |
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For me our potential candidates are those who are inexperienced but have money from previous jobs i.e. ex-pro's or those of an age where the mortgage is paid off and the kids have left home. |
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I suggested on the previous 2 occasions that we needed to go for someone young, hungry and looking to step up from cutting their teeth in the lower leagues. Garry Flitcroft and Matt Jenson would get my vote again.
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True Sam, but Leam took it fer a starting point n to be honest ive been well pleased wi job hes done, n i heard hes got a family, A club wi our meagre resources will probably always have to go fer that type of thing, same wi players, mainly frees n loans etc. Anyone doing ok here will always move on to better, its a fact n summat we should get used too.:) Good Vid from Rob on fishy.
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Well this one will split the fans, thats for sure.
My opinion......... I have absolutely NO IDEA ! Nobody can deny what JC and Bell achieved in their time here but personally I would like a fresh approach, as other's have said they looked tired of the club and the struggle before they left. One thing I would do for sure is involve Beattie somehow, his speech was magnificent on Sunday evening. |
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BBC Sport website. Longish piece about JB and JC who appear to want to come back .....
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I think it's a done deal for JC and JB TBH.
If it was up to me I'd throw Mr Accrington Stanley, Paul Mullin's name into the hat. |
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The football genius will keep us in the league and continue to find gems to sell on and challenge up the league. John Coleman is Mr. Accrington Stanley |
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JC @JB coming back to Stanley would be a giant step backwards.On BBC JB goes on about how they would like to come back and how they love the club.....Rochdale v Stanley... Rochdale score JB jumped that high he nearly landed on the centre circle....Leave them where they are,thanks for the past....but leave them in the past!!!!
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He was getting lots of stick and it was a reaction.
Coleman is perfect for us. |
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listening to radio lancs just now .. and dan jewell was on ...he says that there has already been applications from experienced managers been sent in .. and that rob heys says that it will probably be june by the time someone is in place .. as interviews have to take place ....
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I think DAV007 is either JC or JB or alternatively married to one of them!!!!!!!!
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please dont rise to dav007
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Or just a Stanley fan who loves the club.
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You wanted Leam out,so you've got your wish,just hope the next part of your wish doesn't come to fruition!!!!!!!
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Set the Budgets, Set the Criteria and then roll it out as one of only 72 Football League Clubs trust me there will be some high calibre candidates.
No need to panic whoever becomes Manager has to take the Club forward and virtually rebuild the Squad but that can also be viewed as a clean slate. It's a Big question for the Board but one that can help shape us in a direction we want to go. |
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You can't turn the clock back, it never works in football either in management or playing, a new broom sweeps clean and its a new start next August
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When jaysay says never, you know its not never!
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2. If we did get JC and JB back, what price Sean's return - and the end of the longest thread ever?:D |
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Well i,m putting my money on JC & JB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! getting offered and taking the Southport job.
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Tough choice for the board. Tried and tested, which probably means trying to find a bigger budget, or possibly a rookie who knows the game well, has plenty of coaching skills, lots of contacts and is used to not getting paid. I vote Ash Hoskin :)
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Ideal time for clean slate what irks me the most is the chance of old brooms sweeping that clean slate, if so my presence won't be there.
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I vote Mike Bassett :D
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can anyone find any odds on next manager? i can't think that they'd offer it to anyone else other than John and Jimmy and i'd like to make some money :D
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I would guess that Beattie will be given a chance if he fancies it
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If Edgar Davids can get the Barnet Job I'm going For Maradonna as our next gaffer...
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Coleman and Bell in as soon as they can get here from Kirkby.
For me it's a no-brainer. They are available, have been involved with the squad (directly or indirectly) over the past few months and know our club better than anyone. The other options as far as I'm concerned are as follows: Either get in an unproven young coach with little-to-no experience with good contacts or get a basement league journeyman who has been doing the rounds for years not achieving anything. The young coach would use us as a spring and leave after 12-18 months, the older head would find the infrastructure unworkable and probably see us relegated. This is where is backward steps lie in my opinion. http://andrewomarafootball.blogspot....ccrington.html |
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JC & JB have tipped their hats into the ring, perhaps the chicken farmers will be the next?
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John and Jimmy leaving us was the end of a very long and succesful chapter in the "book of Accrington Stanley".:) Cooky and Leam have barely recorded a few lines between chapters.:confused: I am looking forward to another long read of the next chapter, whoever the manager will be.:rolleyes: When reading a book I sometimes look back at previous chapters to remind me of the story line but then of course you have to pick up the story where you left off and continue reading.
When one door closes another door opens and it is time to look forward once again. Looking forward to reading the next chapter!!!:mosher: |
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If I were Coley I wouldn't come back. He could win the Champions League by beating Barcelona 5-1 and the comments on here would read "having watched the updates on the red button as I was too busy painting the bathroom to go...I can't believe he let Messi get that consolation. COLEMAN OUT".
I also love how Coley delivered unparalleled success and is accused of "walking out". Whereas Leam took two years of wages as a crock....the club stuck by him during a horrendous run and yet it's a case of "bad move but I wish him well". If the face fits eh? I'm quite willing to take a step backwards if that step involves the play-off campaign of 2011. Quite simply John and Jimmy set a standard that we have come nowhere near since he departed. At least suggest a viable alternative....... |
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Like i said every forums got its dumbos,:rolleyes: Please highlight were people accused Coley of walking out, cos i can't remember any. Thats never been n issue as far as i'm aware, still if it suits yer bias Alvin.:rolleyes:
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Some of the regular posters on here are the biggest hypocrites I know. The ignorance is this case is not bliss, its disgusting. Some people should be ashamed of themselves. John Coleman is the best thing to ever happen to Accrington since 1968, but a few old moaners will have you believe otherwise! |
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there are a plethora of lower league managers who make a career out of getting sacked. That wouldn't happen with us, they'd stay in the job until we were relegated out of sight. There are celebrity managers but these come with an entourage of cameo pals who all want paying. They invariably want things that we couldn't provide - such as paying :rolleyes: Young and hungry, hmm, where to start on dissing this one. Yes it can work but I'mo not sure I'd be willing to trust the future of the club to someone inexperienced. The Flitcroft/Jansen partnership is interesting though as that would throw up possibilities in aiding the rats deserting HMS Ewood - and that could help to sustain our future. Coley and Bell. They had their faults undoubtedly but a majority of the gripe is that they deserted us for Rochdale. Sorry but they gave us 13 years and almost as many trophies, you can't seriously begrudge them a change of scenery? There are feck all guarantee's in hiring a manager (or indeed with providing a Fleetwoodesque playing budget and finishing bottom half six points above us) but at least we know what we'd get with these two; We'd get two affable scousers who clearly have an affinity with the club and who fight tooth and nail for us. I'm adamant with the rest of you that the club has moved on behind the scenes since they left - but is that not because they had to, and that it would have happened anyway? If Eric Whalley was still at the club I would suggest that this entire episode had been cooked up at the Christmas Party 2011. "tell 'ee what fellas, we need some more brass, they're aint enough washers fer t'pay t'stewards" "go hed lad, where wheeze gonna get some like" "well, thee two can sod off and we'll get compo from them daft Manc Buggars, then we'll bring that Chef back from Dublin and get compo when he goes. Tha can puddit in t'contract that 'ee 'as to tek Leam wi'im an'all - then we get more compo. Give it a year or so get yersens booted and thi can come back" "bloody hell la, I bet I can get Westley to give us anundred grand for Proccy as well, then he can come back as our present to the fans" (Jimmy chips in) "I bet I can get R Sean to come b..." |
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Not that it matters anyway :rolleyes: As far as many are concerned coley&bell FC is the way to go...! Lets bring back Gilbraith while we are at it:tongueout |
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Thats rubbish macca saying club moved on but would have happened anyway, We would have gone to the wall simple as, if Mr Khan had not stepped in. Yer memorys getting worse than mine n i'm n owd fart.
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Its akin to saying I need a new headteacher for a school. The last one secured outstanding results and wants to come back. Oh no let's not go backwards.....let's appoint the milkman instead. Lunacy. The question is not Coley or not Coley.....it is why are factions of the support SO vehemently opposed to the second coming? What are the reasons? |
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What concerns me is how long we leave it before making an appointment.:confused:
It's all well and good Heys talking about having the time to make a considered choice on the right man for the job. But leave it too long and the new guy faces an even bigger uphill battle.:( Most clubs are already doing business with players and their agents securing new faces for next season. If we leave it too long, not only will we probably lose any chance we have of keeping our better players, but we'll struggle to find adequate quality replacements. Heys also mentioned that they've already had a number of quality applicants putting themselves forward. Now unless we are waiting for Mourinho and Mancini's applications, we should probably already have an idea of who actually wants the job and who the board could work with. I also can't really see us forking out compo to anybody to poach any young up and coming manager. And would the board take a gamble with our hard fought for League status on such a manager???:confused: Add to that Coley & Bell probably, nay definately, have the jump on any of the other applicants in terms of experience of working within the constraints of the role, then I'd have thought the best thing to do would be make a reasonably quick decision. If it is to be Coley & Bell, I'd be surprised if they weren't appointed before the weekend.:o At the moment, I'm struggling to think of any better candidates and IF they are interested & keen to return, then the odds on the "second coming" of the Messiah and his able assistant would appear to be quite short. |
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If they dont choose Coley and Bell, I hope stanley dont end up with a football league journeyman like a paul sturrock, brian little or john gregory.
If it is not the be the return of Coley, then go for someone young and well connected. Phil Neville? Coley and Bell would be my 1st choice, 2nd choice and 3rd choice. But I would rather see us go with someone new with something to prove who would be willing to come on cheaper wages and a shorter deal who we could afford to sack if it didnt work out; we must not get bogged down with someone who has had more clubs than hot dinners. |
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If Phil Neville was to go straight in to management he would go to Bury, he probably owns a big chunk of it
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"We want to repay that faith by building a squad that is capable of pushing to League One and beyond.".....J.Bell.
But then....."Fine words butter no parsnips". So what's it to be. Can JC and JB returning to the scene of past triumphs but yet the bosom of the Club from which they defected when Dame Lucre flashed her seductive eyes, really deliver the actions which mean more than just flattery or idle promises ?. .or will this impassioned plea turn out to be little more than a death-rattle for the pair ?. This imponderable must surely make the task of selecting a new leader a more difficult prospect for the Club !.some very interesting times afoot for us to deliberate upon methinks ?. |
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The Flitcroft/Jansen pairing does appeal to me....IF the dynamic duo do not return.
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Great post, Carpon.
After getting over the initial shock, my mind kept coming back to Phil Neville, but I think it's unlikely. Paul Cook has had loads of stick for the timing of his departure - he didn't control the timing of the opportunity that came his way - and in some ways, Leam's departure is worse given the relatively short time we have to try and get contracts sorted for players wanted at the club next season, sound out potential new players etc. Not many players will show much interest in playing for a manager less club, let alone sign, so I think there is a reasonable degree of urgency for us in making a new appointment. Much as I would rather not see Coleman and Bell back in charge, I fear they will increasingly look the best option for a variety of reasons. |
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Don't think Phil Nev is a bad suggestion, But Bury has always been his club.;) In fact think his mam still works yon?
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Personally, I think Richardson has the makings of being a much better manager than Cook will ever be. Which makes Leam's decision to go working as his number two baffling and all the more unpalatable. :o Now if we make a quick appointment of Coley & Bell, maybe, just maybe they would manage to persuade key players that it would be worth hanging around at the Crown for another season to be part of a revolution so to speak. I'm sure they could probably bend player's ears about making them better players. And add to that Coleman has proved countless times already is an alchemist when it comes to nurting undiscovered talent..... I'm no bookie and as yet haven't seen any markets offered for our next manager by any of the bookies, but I'd imagine Coleman ( & Bell ) will be massive odds on favourite for the job. |
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For numerous reasons. Mainly his affinity and connections to Bury and his probable wage demands. Bury fans are in the dark about their current financial situation at the moment. Numerous rumours doing the rounds among Shakers fans are that the Neville family are supposed to be one of the "interested" parties looking to invest. By that reckoning if the Nevilles did invest and invest in a big way (i.e stump up most or all of the supposed £1million they want to secure things long term) , Phil therfore has the perfect opening to his managerial career.:rolleyes: And secondly, I can't see a character like Phil Neville working for comparative peanuts at Stanley.:o |
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How about Henning Berg:) would'nt want a fortune in wages and might even buy acouple of players with his interest;)
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At the time when Leam was struggling to get results, I was opposed to your calls for the recall of Coley & Bell. I felt Leam deserved a chance to prove his worth and he didn't disappoint !!;) Obviously Chesterfield ( & more so Cook ) have recognised Leams talent and his achievement in keeping Stanley in the League & working within diffucult conditions & prised him away. I said it before, I can't blame Leam for going for a better paid job with less responsibility. I do however, think Cook is clever by getting Leam as his assistant, as I feel it will be Richardson's input into Chesterfield that will gain more kudos for Cook than it will Leam. They say Peter Taylor was the leading light in the successful partnership between Cloughie & Taylor at Derby & Forest. I can only see it being similiar for Leam whilst he plays second fiddle to Cook.:( Hence why I, like others, find it baffling why he wants to be in Cook's shadow rather than in the limelight here.:confused: Anyway, we now face a different situation and as a result we now find ourselves managerless at a crucial stage where our players are all soon to be out of contract. Quite a few of the lads, Deano, Rommy, Bavs, Podge etc, all know Coley & Bell. And know how they operate. And that could be crucial when it comes to persuading these lads where to sign. We also don't have to pay compo for sacking anybody and have a vacant position ( or positions to fill ) And the longer we dither and stall on making a decision about our next manager, the more difficult the job becomes for the new bloke.:o And to those who doubt the wisdom of re-appointing Coley & Bell. When they left for 'Dale, we were looking like mounting another assault on the upper echelons of League Two and another tilt at the play-offs. Cook came in and, if there is one thing to be gratefull to Cook for, he did sign some decent players. Leam stabilised the ship, signed a few more decent players and saw us safe. We've therefore received four lots of compensation and could get the main men back for nothing (i.e paying compo to someone else ) to oversee a squad containing some cracking players (if they manage to keep the majority, or by some miracle, keep all of the key men on board) Round pegs, square holes. I can only see re-appointing Coley & Bell as a perfect solution to our problem.:o |
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Coleman and Stanley were as tinpot as they come and we played up to it. Some of it might have been Coleys doing, much of it might have been EW. Once Coleman left and Cook came in a lot was done at professionalising the backroom set-up. I suggest you give yer reading glasses a wobble and try to interpret a post before quoting it! The inference from many (and Rochdale fans included) is that we would be going back to an unprofessional set-up should they return. Personally I dispute that because a lot has changed since they left and a goodly portion of it is nothing to do with whether they were here or not. Back to the thread ... qualities required for the job an understanding of footballing life without the luxuries an understanding of what it is like to work with one hand tied behind your back and the other in a tigers mouth - whilst needing a wee and you've got your best suit on an understanding that quality may be low on the ground so you have to work with what you've got and get the best from it somebody who understands the club mentality I'm pretty sure JC ticks every box, is available now and will know the current squad very well due to his alleged recent work with us and obviously still close relationship with the club and recent manager. For publicity sake I'd like us to release details of the applicants just to try and stir some interest in the club around town. Phil Neville? still haven't forgiven him for Euro 2000 .... |
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Re-appointing Coley would throw us briefly back into the spotlight. The prodigal son returns & all that. If he then re-ignites the fire that burned during his last stint in charge......:D As for the town . The interest has waned since we got back to the league. The club have slashed prices in a bid to get numbers up......we now need an appointment to fire the imagination of the public of Accrington. And drag the floating supporter back to the Crown. |
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Meself after thought i would like to see it offered to James Beattie, wi Franny as assistant n still playing.:) Whilst they would be completely new to football management, I don't see the likes of Mourinho as n option.:) Dunno if they would even be interested or not.
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I find the concept of Coley and Jimmy returning to the club strangely exciting and for all the reasons given on the other threads.
My only concern is that whilst at Rochdale they kept going back for the same old players that they'd had previously, which still puzzles me today. Whilst at Stanley they uncovered some real gems, so why didn't they do the same down the road? Added to that they let one of the best midfield players in L2 walk away from the club because of a 'clash of characters'. If they are to stage a return, then it needs to happen very quickly. |
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I'd like to see Coley and Bell back. They know the club and fans inside out and understand Stanley. As much as I think Beattie would do a good job we probably need someone with a bit more experience.
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It's never safe to be nostalgic about something until you're absolutely certain there's no chance of its coming back. ~Bill Vaughn
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Could be worse. Ian Craney is joking about chucking his CV in for the job! :D
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Definition of nepotism
noun The practice among those with power or influence of favouring relatives or friends, especially by giving them jobs: Was this word invented to describe the recruitment and team selection policy of Messrs Coleman & Bell?:rolleyes::rolleyes: |
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QUOTE; I find the concept of Coley and Jimmy returning to the club strangely exciting and for all the reasons given on the other threads.
My only concern is that whilst at Rochdale they kept going back for the same old players that they'd had previously, which still puzzles me today. Whilst at Stanley they uncovered some real gems, so why didn't they do the same down the road? Added to that they let one of the best midfield players in L2 walk away from the club because of a 'clash of characters'. here here Tin Monkey IMHO we should be looking elswhere but if they come back so be it, plus if we end up in the same predicament at the end of next season under their charge it would be interesting to see which hymn sheet DAV007 sings from !!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL |
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Doubt very much if he would change his view,if that were to occur,!! Scousers tend to stick together.:D
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I personally couldn't give a rats arse where the players come from as long as we're successful. I cant for the life of me understand this Coley hatred. Ironic that if not for the teams Coley built....many of those spitting venom towards him wouldn't know where the Crown Ground was. As for the brilliant "no thanks" comments. Ladies and Gentlemen I give you Accyweb Debater Of The Year 2013!!! If we drop out of the league we will NEVER come back. Indeed we would probably sink further down the pyramid. Yet people would rather gamble on any Tom, Dick and Harry than appoint a man with a proven track record of not just keeping the club in the league but pushing onward. Anybody who remembers the years BC (Before Coleman) would have to be raving mad to disregard Coley. |
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For me you can't look past coleman an bell, no one comes close to what they have done for this club! People do have very short memories, how people say there sad to see leam go is beyond me, he left the club 3 points above the drop an without a few last minute goals we would be relegated comfortably! John an jimmy perfomed miracles over the 13 years they gave us an are both stil young (ish) an can push us on again! Look at the players we sold an got money for from our play off season! Ryan (150.000) mcconville (80.000) gornell (15.000) cisak (15.000) that's a lot of money! I think john an jimmy will bring the exact same brand of football back that we seen that season an some of the best most attractive football av seen. We need to employ the immediately so they can build a similar squad to play attractive watchable football! An not just be happy with surviving in league 2! Cook an richardson have done nothing to make the club any better since john an jimmy left an that's a fact! I for one will be right behind them if they come back!! An whom ever they sign..
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Referring to Coley's body language at the end of his previous tenure is a Red Herring.
Then he was musing on finding a stepping stone up after 13 years lets not forget extraordinary service in one place. OUR place. Now he's fifteen months older and probably a few years wiser. Judging by his reaction at the whistle on Saturday last,when after an effectively dead rubber he rushed to the touchline to speak to Peter Murphy, he's lost none of his passion for this club. After his (mis)adventures at Spotland, it may be that Stanley offers him the real canvas or which to create his masterpieces. Like Gaudi, sorry Gradi at Crewe. Fighting against the odds (and regularly triumphing) must have its attractions. I'd be utterly delighted to welcome him and Jimmy back. Though based on what others have said, James Beattie seems to have demonstrated humongous commitment to the club over recent weeks. Certainly feel I missed out on his speech on Sunday, judging from comments. Either way pretty sad Leam has gone. The boy did good. Nothing surprises me in football management anymore................. |
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At the end of the day the jury will be split on the return of J&J and to coin a phrase I don,t give a rats arse who is the next manager as long as they do the best for my club, we can throw this about all day long and try to second guess the outcome but the board will decide on the best canidate so there aint no point falling out about it.
My only concern regarding the dynamic duo is if they were to be appointed and it all went wrong which would,nt be good for the club J&J or the fans would the 12 years of success count for nothing as we all know football is a very fickle business to be in. |
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The 12 years of those 2 will always be remembered by me,thats certain. n i'm one that wants new blood.;)
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