Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1235575)

fancy us to nick it today.

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235591)

Should be six and that wouldn’t flatter the tractor boys.
We look abysmal.

Originally Posted by ferret man (Post 1235597)

It must be bad then

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235605)

Do you know what ?
Lat 15 minutes just papering over the cracks.
To cap it all Zanzala starting to run affairs but demanding the penalty when Bishop is nominated and arguing with the Captain.
I don’t give a %%% he scored who the %%%% does he think he is ?

Originally Posted by andyd (Post 1235610)

Bit of a mutany in the ranks?

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235620)

You know what it is Josh ? That says to me we have a player more interested in his personal goal tally than the interests of the team.
I hate stuff like that.
Given the kid benefit of the doubt for long enough.
No more.
Best be man of the match every game now or get ready for pull pelts.

Originally Posted by andyd (Post 1235624)

Ok today we were terrible happened many times while I have watched Stanley it occurs more worrying to me is how fans seem to think without 2 players I agree good ones we are going to fall apart, we aren't and shouldn't be reliant on 2 players. I agree I think we need someone in during the window but personally would prefer someone who knows where the back of the net is even with the 2 better players in we have missed a lot of chances this season.

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235628)

Zanzala totally out of order. Internally or publicly is irrelevant.
Good times bad times team comes first.
I know what I’d do ...... transfer window closes in 20 days.

Originally Posted by Simpson (Post 1235631)

Poorest away performance and lack of desire I have witnessed for several seasons. The fighting over the penalty wouldn’t have happened if senior players weren’t absent. Midfield so weak. I’ve seen thoroughly soaked rich tea biscuits with more backbone!

Anyway, a couple of days in Norwich to forget about it.

Re Jordan, is there an offer hence his absence or am I missing something ?

Originally Posted by Simpson (Post 1235631)

Poorest away performance and lack of desire I have witnessed for several seasons. The fighting over the penalty wouldn’t have happened if senior players weren’t absent. Midfield so weak. I’ve seen thoroughly soaked rich tea biscuits with more backbone!

Anyway, a couple of days in Norwich to forget about it.

Re Jordan, is there an offer hence his absence or am I missing something ?

Originally Posted by Simpson (Post 1235631)

Poorest away performance and lack of desire I have witnessed for several seasons. The fighting over the penalty wouldn’t have happened if senior players weren’t absent. Midfield so weak. I’ve seen thoroughly soaked rich tea biscuits with more backbone!

Anyway, a couple of days in Norwich to forget about it.

Re Jordan, is there an offer hence his absence or am I missing something ?

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235634)

Are you having a laugh ?
Conneely has been club captain since .........
Hughes ?

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235639)

Oh for God sake standard stuff Lord.
When are you going to wake up and smell the coffee ?
We are a league one club and need to start operating like one.
The alternative ? Well what most posters on here like to put up with “well if we go down we go down” Try telling that to to the 150 plus who got on a coach / drove all those miles.
Not good enough.

Originally Posted by Lord Stiffupperlip (Post 1235644)

Amazed you have taken such offence at my previous post.
I was simply trying to emphasise that we've been punching above our weight since we won promotion.
Clarify how, in your unrivalled opinion, we;
1) 'Need to start operating like a L1 club'?
2) How you would transform a team that is clearly 'not good enough'?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1235645)

i would love to know how we can operate as a top league1 club given our resources? anyone who thinks we can is a slice short of a loaf in my book. to survive in this league is a brilliant thing.

Originally Posted by Lord Stiffupperlip (Post 1235638)

Time for a reality check????
Perhaps the surprise is not that we took a beating from a big club with ambitions of promotion, but that we've managed to survive for so long with a team consisting largely of loanees, rejects & freebies.
There's a limit to what is achievable without players of proven quality at this higher level.
Let's be honest, most of our squad are L2 standard at best - some would struggle to make it in a decent Conference team.
It's a miracle we're even competing in L1 against big city clubs with huge budgets.
Win or lose, enjoy the ride - while it lasts!

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235646)

One - invest in the product that is put in the pitch.
Two - use that investment wisely.

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235657)

So there you go.
If you have an opinion that doesn’t match ours go and watch someone else.

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235659)

Very naive response.
Who has said anything about tossing cash about ?
The club did brilliant to get up.
The club did brilliant to get the figures we did selling Jackson and Donacien.
Upon your own admission League One standard is poor.
So why are we struggling ?
You may have a different opinion but mine is because we’ve invested on the cheap on the product on the pitch. The players.
Why would I want to go and watch football elsewhere ?
Haven’t missed many games for years.
All this talk of bankrupting the club is nonsense.
It’s about how you allocate your funds and budgeting.
The best signing we’ve made is the pitch 100%.
What’s the point in sparkling up corporate facilities if you don’t invest in the product on the pitch ?
All about opinions.

Originally Posted by andyd (Post 1235660)

Well said.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1235662)

Perhaps someone should invest in brain cells?

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235647)

Are you happy with out player investment ?

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235650)

What do you mean by resources ?
Do you think the monies received from Jackson and Donacien has been invested wisely ie 100% into the club excluding the team ?

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235659)

The club did brilliant to get up.
The club did brilliant to get the figures we did selling Jackson and Donacien.
Upon your own admission League One standard is poor.
So why are we struggling ?

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235659)

You may have a different opinion but mine is because we’ve invested on the cheap on the product on the pitch. The players.

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235659)

All this talk of bankrupting the club is nonsense.
It’s about how you allocate your funds and budgeting.

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235659)

The best signing we’ve made is the pitch 100%.
What’s the point in sparkling up corporate facilities if you don’t invest in the product on the pitch ?
All about opinions.

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod (Post 1235673)

yes. We have competed in all but 2 or 3 games this season and could've/should've won more than we have. YES we have a fairly inexperienced team, Bishop, Charles have stepped a long way, Johson, Sykes still very young BUT they have improved game by game and will either make us some cash or be first team players for some time



Absolutely they have been invested well. That new stand didnt come for free for a start and was more than overdue. Do you think the away goal end is up to standard? No its not, and that will be done well before we start frittering money. I cant remember how the ground was when you first rocked up but it was by and away the worst ground in the top five divisions, now its not. Its still the smallest and will probably remain so, but 3/4 of it now is new and shiny and functional and making money. For the first time in a long time we are not a laughing stock amongst away supporters and that counts for an awful lot in my book



Yes we did (and it was unexpected and not budgeted towards)
Yes we did (and it was unexpected but brought forward some ground improvements by a year or two or more)
Partially due to inexperienced strikers, partially because Sean didnt get going with his shooting boots and partially because Jordan cant hit a barn door



Bradford got relegated with a £5.3m playing budget and only one season after splashing around £200k each on at least 3 players (McCartan included). Many clubs invest money into transfers and pay high wages, we dont and its served us quite well on our sojourn from Tier 7



No its not nonsense at all. ASFC was a very long way behind all other clubs off the pitch. Infrastructure simply HAS to improve way beyond what it already has. Look at clubs like Cambridge, their turnover last year was around £6m - £2m more than ours and that was our best turnover EVER. I like whats happening around the place, and how we're going about things, but it needs even more if we are to get anywhere near being able to compete on a level playing field. Clubs left, right and centre are experiencing massive financial difficulties, but we aren't. We've been to the wall three times and very nearly four ...

When our fans say we arent arsed about relegation its because we know the hardships of relegation are nowhere near as hard as the hardships of coming back from the dead. Anyone who wants to risk the future of the club on whimsical money signings can 0121 do one.



all covered above buddy. Our corporate facilities for what they are, are selling out regularly, that shows that there is demand for more. Andy Holt knows better than anyone what we are making, capable of making, and what the future of incoming TV money means. He wants to create a ground that is cheap to run and maintain but capable of making better income for us.

We have 2 more builds to go, the changing room/clubhouse change and the away end - in that order. When that is complete we will be in a position to plough more generated funds into the team. If thats still in League 1 then fantastic, if its in league 2 then so what?

The changing rooms HAVE to be done and we are at the mercy of the EFL as to how long we can avoid it for, but the clubhouse being done right should ensure that we are capable of making at least an extra half million every year. The away end done right should mean extra visitors and extra spend per head. That means more money in. By the time those 2 builds are done I think we'll be there or thereabouts hitting those £5m or £6m figures that our peers are hitting.

£6m in League 1 will still be bottom of the pile though ... in League 2 (if we can maintain the crowd numbers) that would put us around mid table, in the Conference it might put us top 6 - AND THAT IS WHY WE CANNOT AND WILL NOT SPEND MORE THAN WE CAN ON THE PRODUCT.

Yes we all go to the ground to see the product, but the product is only a part of the day and currently all spends need to be on the rest of the experience.

Finally, John Coleman has a long history of having to operate in this manner and he's done pretty well at it thus far :)

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1235662)

Perhaps someone should invest in brain cells?

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235681)

Who is that aimed at Cashman ?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1235684)

guess

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 1235684)

guess

Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 1235691)

Like 2 bald blokes at rguing over a comb

Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 1235691)

Like 2 bald blokes arguing over a comb

Originally Posted by choirboy (Post 1235692)

I am losing my hair gradually but I am not quite bald.

I know a bald bloke though who has a comb made of SOLID GOLD....
When he runs his Golden Comb through the thatch of non league and lower league football, his comb regularly picks up some Golden Dandruff which he brings to The Wham Stadium and he sprinkles it on to the pitch. Magically, it then turns into Golden players and a Golden team playing in the Red of Accrington Stanley.
Long live our Bald guy who builds and picks our team and another Bald bloke who backs him up with a limited amount of bus fares to get around the football scene.
I love Bald blokes and Combs!:rolleyz8:

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235693)

Nice one Willie.
You know when he made the brain cell comments just interested why did you respond “wow”

I’m not bald and I do need a comb.
Anyway enough.
Opinion(s) expressed.
Focus is on Sarfend.

Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 1235678)

Don’t know anyone who seen us at Tier 7 or 8 who isn’t loving the whole Stanley 2019-2020 experience.

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 1235701)

Exactly! Ipswich away was a bummer? Try Flixton United away! This is the best time EVER to be a Stanley fan. Get every last drop of enjoyment out of it, quit the bellyaching and smile! :D

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235693)

Nice one Willie.
You know when he made the brain cell comments just interested why did you respond “wow”

I’m not bald and I do need a comb.
Anyway enough.
Opinion(s) expressed.
Focus is on Sarfend.

Originally Posted by Willie Miller (Post 1235691)

Like 2 bald blokes arguing over a comb

Originally Posted by AccyMad (Post 1235703)

Aww, no more opinions to be traded - I'm disappointed, was just going to get my knitting out & enjoy the spats :)

Originally Posted by Twenty Eight (Post 1235715)

Join in !