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Selected fixtures this weekend.
Championship Luton Town v Derby County Middlesbrough v AFC Bournemouth Norwich City v Preston North End League One Blackpool v Swindon Town Charlton Athletic v Doncaster Rovers Hull City v Crewe Alexandra Shrewsbury Town v Northampton Town League Two Carlisle United v Southend United (13:00 BST) Forest Green Rovers v Bradford City Morecambe v Cambridge United |
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well its a start.hope it goes well.
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this as been in the air at least 1 week, how much time do they need, think its pathetic bleating hard times and not being ready.
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In Luton,s case I think because of the amount of season tickets they have sold it probably was a bit late to organise a lottery for attending, could be lax on Luton's part but without some clear long term strategy by government don't hold tha breath this could be come a regular occurrence.
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I believe a body covering all kinds of sports have had a meeting with government today very productive they say but have laid it on the line how precarious finances are so we wait for the next advice.
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Morecambe pulled out too saying their safety measures aren't ready yet.
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just demonstrates who is run correctly i think so far 8 are 2 are not,
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Is our game against Oxford officially a pilot event because a lot of clubs claiming they had less than 2 and a half hours to apply for this week's pilot games, I was under the impression our game was set in stone.
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Does anyone have any idea what is going on are we allowed 770 fans in next Saturday, are we going to allow fans in from October 1st, is it going to be pushed back to November or restricted to under 3000 just a few things being bandied about no wonder a couple of clubs pulled the plug this weekend the rules seem to change daily.
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i take little notice of them andy reckon they are scaremongers. i do read them but then in the main i forget lol
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Which says to me that Blackburn know that the rest of their area isnt going to be put back into local lockdown and following from that the rest of the area including Hyndburn that was released with it a couple of weeks ago wont be either. So my take is that Stanley will be invited to apply to be one of the test games next week as was originally planned before Boris crapped himself last week. I was told today that subject to there being no issues this weekend the clubs that conduct successfull tests this weekend will be allowed 3k crowds at their next home games on Oct 3rd as originally planned but the clubs who havnt conducted a successful test this weekend wont be allowed to until they conduct a 1k test. |
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30% of the pilot games not going ahead hopefully the rest will kick off.
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I wonder if Stanley have applied for the Oxford game to be a test event? bolton were not even allowed to apply due to their infection rates and Hyndburn third highest out of 317 yesterday.
If we don't find out until late on Wednesday and it is negative, then 1,000+ ifollow codes will still need dishing out, and if it is the same system as last time it could end up a farce. Will what is being announced this morning it is unlikely that spectators will be allowed in 8 days time. |
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EFL released a statement about fans at stadiums and it's as clear as mud with regards to local lockdowns as I see it a crowd doesn't break " the rule of six" to me if a pub or restaurant is following hygiene protocol and can have customers then sports venue,s should be fine, still no wiser if we can attend Oxford game though.
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Fleetwood have confirmed they have applied for a test event on the 26th.
I would be interesting to know if Stanley have applied or not, or if LCC have advised them not to. I think the chances of getting on the Oxford game are < 10% as it stands. Time to send out the iFollow codes for next week... |
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I think the chances of getting on the Oxford game are < 10% as it stands. hartlepool had a home friendly with blyth for today behind closed doors. this morning its off. clubs as well as fans cannot carry on with this will we wont we approach with last minute call offs. know this happens in winter with the weather but its just more uncertainty that everyone is going to suffer. |
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Apparently all went well at Blackpool's pilot game yesterday thier police giving it their backing and a lot of fans saying the atmosphere and experience was better than they thought it would be roll on next Saturday and hopefully we will be there.
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It is not clear whether Stanley have actually applied for a test event, the closest comparison is Fleetwood who have applied so I am watching them for any news. |
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Apparently this virus doesn't transmit in Blackpool as they choose to break away from Lancashire many years ago who decides these ridiculous guidelines.
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Blackpool are right on the edge and do no border any district with high numbers, not just to do with being a unitary. |
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Just on website Stanley waiting for decision on Saturdays application for a pilot event allowing 1000 in against Oxford, we have sold 950 season tickets so if given go-ahead every one will be able to go if they choose.
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lets hope we get permission, if we do and people are sensible then we are going the right way imho.
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Bolton were stopped from even applying by their own PHA, so the application itself is one positive on a bleak looking landscape, along with the 1,000 fans ensuring all current season ticket holders can get in
I hope I am wrong but I can't see it happening. EFL tests were not announced until mid afternoon last Wed, it will be chaos getting ifollow codes if they leave it that late again, surely it will be tomorrow? |
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im very doubtfull but fingers crossed.
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Word is Boris will announce tomrrow evening no test events or 30% crowds in areas under enhanched resrictions. |
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A report on the BBC suggests that from today pilot events will be paused and return of limited crowds pushed back, without substancial financial support could be a disaster.
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Now official on BBC football site pushed back for the foreseeable disaster can see National League not starting season and ok it's watchable on IFollow but if I,m honest the absence of crowds make the game a shadow of itself really fear for the long term future of smaller clubs including us.
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[QUOTE=andyf really fear for the long term future of smaller clubs including us.[/QUOTE]
keep telling us that football is a business. well if you have a business with no customers you will not be in business long. |
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Looking at easter now FFS!
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Reports emerging from the BBC sport channel this morning spectators could be locked out of sports venues until March, we have reached the point of no return regarding any financial support package next 1 or 2 weeks will decide the future for many clubs throughout all sports.
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Just listened to a very good interesting and forthright honest interview on Radio Lancashire with Rod Taylor co-chairman at Morecambe FC, bluntly saying that without fans or a aid package clubs even at Championship level will go to the wall. In Morecambe's case as it stands they can operate for a couple of months.
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Not saying the situation isnt heading towards critical but now the Government has formally stated that it "could be" March before a return now is when earnest progression will be made regarding funding and how football can be under pinned. |
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Sorry Andy that reads as your direct quote.
How much would you say will be removed from Accy’s gross revenue as a consequence of no fans ...... accepting 1000 season ticket sales and ifollow revenue ? |
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Dover Athletic chairman who has pumped £4 million of his own money in to the club over 15 years claims it takes £80000 a month to run at that level £960000 per annum soon starts to look unsustainable without fans the bread and butter.
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After all the sustained effort and cost by clubs to provide Covid secure venues that have to be passed which most would do they should now put a collective voice and pressure on the government to reverse this ridiculous decision and set a clear road map out for football and the other sports.
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Interesting comment from Swindon manager without crowds every game is like a preseason friendly can't if I,m honest disagree.
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The other issue with revenue and ifollow is the massive number of IPTV connections out there via amazon firestick. They get you access to literally everything ........ for £50 per annum.
I would say they are illegal but they are in common use. They include access to every ifollow station. |
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My broadband is slow, so watching ifollow can be a bit of a pain. However, I will continue to pay my £10 in order to help the club. I hope others will do the same.
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A sports minister has just told parliament elite sports much find ways of helping themselves financially, doesn't sound promising.
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remember that not everyone actually enjoys football or any sport for that matter. some infact have a complete dislike for it and will be up in arms about vast amounts of money given to something. same as me with things like ballet and the arts where i just do not give a damn.
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Leyton Orient have effectively been kicked out of the League Cup because their players tested positive for coronavirus:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54295512 This seems to be setting a very dangerous precedent. Would it happen with the FA Cup Final, for example? At least Spurs paid for the tests... |
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Two games off tomorrow due to positive tests both in league 2 Cheltenham v Grimsby and Walsall v Orient this could be come normal.
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R.I.P. Justin Edinburgh
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Grimsby have actually had to postpone their next 3 games as club going into 14 hibernation, this is going to create real problems if testing in the EFL isn't made mandatory again or season will descend into farce.
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Terry was one hell of a player and his son carving out a career...... all the best Jock x |
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Stevenage,s game at Bradford hanging in the balance after one of there players tested positive, the problem now with the resurgence in the virus EFL,s testing of staff showing symptoms isn't clearly good enough premiership still testing everyone weekly. Problem again is down to cost so same appeal for help or games will be called off all over. Also with regular testing it's another case for safe return of spectators.
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If you genuinely believe more, and mandatory, testing is going to help us get out of this man-made mess then you can’t have been reading what many, many scientists and doctors (not computer modellers) have been writing and saying about just how unreliable is the PCR process, and how it is picking up all sorts of viral remnants that we all have all the time. Take a look at this chart and ask yourself if you notice any difference between the spike of “cases” and deaths in March/April and the (apparent) similar spike now. And ask yourself why the Govt has continued to refuse to answer what % of total tests being carried are these recorded ‘positive cases’, and is that % going up, down, or staying the same. More tests, more “cases“, perhaps, but not it now seems more deaths. |
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Testing during March was on a much smaller scale than currently. The best estimates produced by ONS/Kings College is that there were around 100000 cases a day at that point. Therefore, the positive tests in March represented a vast underestimate of actual cases. Comparing the ratio of deaths to positive tests between now and 6 months ago isn't valid. And deaths are increasing, that trend is clear. The rate of increase is around double every 8-10 days. Most concerning is the number of admissions and patients ventilated within ICU. The number in ICU has doubled in 6 days. The knock on effect this has on the rest of the healthcare sector is vast, and much too complex to go into here. The overriding issue though is even with a modest increase in admissions to ICU/hospital, the net direct and indirect effect on morbidity and mortality is large. Also, unfortunately around half the patients who have been ventilated die based on experience in the UK. Regardless of the specificity of the current testing regime, it is the best tool we have to help prevent ongoing transmission - short of imposing severe, vast restrictions on everyone's lives again. With regards to getting fans back at football, there are no easy solutions. The solution certainly isn't no restrictions. It probably is something around very limited capacity, with additional support from centralised bodies, with risk mitigation through large scale population testing. I know that's rubbish for everyone, but it is the reality of our current situation. |
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Irresponsible people cramming into packed town centres and it isn't their fault, it is everyone else's. The Womble PM said this would be cracked down on, however won't resource a crack down properly. |
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Xcuse me Exile, can i ask what you do ? what is your profession ? Are you an epidemiologist / scientist or from a medical background ?
I only ask because you jumped into this thread saying you ' just can't let this go' as though you have some revelationary expertise. Please elaborate. We all take stock of the situation day by day. Tom D has stated where his expertise lies (and I cannot thank you enough Tom, for the work that you do) and yet your parting shot seems to imply mistrust in his claim. Quote - 'But then doesn't Neil Ferguson call himself a professor ?' Ironicly you keep calling Coleman 'Professor'. is he one ? What do I do ? Hill Farmer/ Shepherdess, semi skilled carpenter, welding, then moved to India bartending in Goa ( tequila, beer,gin,leaf, more beer) proper job making bricks (eight years godawful). In between had a spell as a go go dancer (well I say a spell, it was one day.....err night) and I spent time polishing Paul Simon's shoes during the recording of 'The Boxer'. Also been a paint sprayer and spent time on historical digs. Other than that I have no special expertise but have reached an age when I can detect a warp weave. Seriously though tell me what your point is. Are you trying to make us safe, aware or just stir up the mix. Either way , I think I'm probably with Tom D. |
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A ray of light could be a financial package for lower league clubs announced this week put together by the premiership, also talks going on about new innovative testing with the absence of a vaccine with guick turnaround results giving customers a health passport admission which could lead to fans back.
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Irresponsible people cramming into packed town centres and it isn't their fault, it is everyone else's. the thing is that people are not packing into town centres. just heard this morning that compared to pre virus leeds have only 23 per cent of that number and wakefield has done the best of west yorkshire towns with 47 per cent, cannot see things being that different the other side of the hill. never thought i,d say this but i actually miss going into shops with her in the kitchen. only thing that gets muzzled in my household is the dog at the vets. |
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Key details of letter sent to Oliver Dowden minister for sport:-
Without any plans being made to rescue football clubs many in the EFL and National League are now actively preparing to make all but essential staff redundant, cease playing close down thier youth academies and community foundations, and put thier business into administration. There is still time to act but not long left. It cannot be the Premiership,s sole responsibility. Signed Damien Collins MP Charles Methen co owner Sunderland FC Lord Friedman former chairman of FA Lord Faulkner vice President National League Lord Goddard Stockport Malcolm Clarke chairman of FA. There was more content just highlited the important in my view bits. |
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For once I agree to a point with the premiership after months of spending large amounts of money on following government advice and guidance on creating safe environment,s for fans as have pubs, supermarket,s, shops, restaurant,s and hotels etc why suddenly pick on football and other sports and stop fans attending yet you can still visit any of the previous mentioned. They are now sticking together and will probably refuse to bail out the rest of football without a promise or U-turn on the decision on fans saying it's the government,s responsibility to bail out the rest. Could be a very crucial few days in what will shape our future of football.
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Going more insane by the day just been announced Saturday,s Fa cup games are allowed fans both home and away supporters if your 2 non elite clubs, if you are a non elite club hosting an elite club home fans only, elite club at home no fans. As Accrington are an elite club we must all be regarded as super spreaders.
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I think you need to read it again. Fans of National League North and South clubs will be unable to attend their team's FA Cup second qualifying round matches this weekend. The Football Association has announced details of the "agreed position" for admitting spectators following discussions with the government. Games being hosted by sixth-tier clubs will be played behind closed doors. Meanwhile, only home fans are allowed at ties where sixth-tier teams are the visitors to clubs below that level. For matches in which both teams are below the sixth tier, supporters of both the home and visiting teams are permitted to attend. The FA says the position "will be reviewed again" before the third qualifying round. What's this got to do with us ? |
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