Stanley steward today

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by Redraine

Please explain what you mean by "on the grounds of safety", as nobody seems to be able to justify it, other than "It's yer 'elf and safety, innit?".
Nobody has answered my question earlier in the thread!

Taken from the Football Licensing Authority website;


Following the Hillsborough Disaster, the government accepted the recommendation of Lord Justice’s Taylor’s inquiry that grounds in the top two divisions should become all-seated. The Inquiry’s conclusion that, while “there is no panacea which will achieve total safety and cure all problems of behaviour and crowd control, seating does more to achieve these objectives than any other single measure”, has been proved to be correct.
It is generally accepted that Premiership and Football League grounds are safer, more comfortable and more civilised that they were ten or twelve years ago, though the FLA recognise that not all the changes have found favour with all spectators.
The injury statistics that we have collected and published for the past few seasons strongly suggest that a spectator is less likely to be injured at an all-seated ground than at one that retains standing accommodation. This has remained true even since standing terraces were required to be upgraded to a prescribed standard, though the difference has reduced. While we have made standing much safer, it is still not as safe as sitting.
There are, moreover, a significant number of practical reasons against reintroducing standing terraces at our all-seated grounds. The conversion of all or part of a seating deck to standing accommodation would raise all sorts of complicated design and engineering issues relating to the gradient, the row depth, the viewing standards, the dynamic movement of the deck and the dynamics of the crowd. As a generality, it would require more space (hence a lower capacity) and spectators would have to be further away from the pitch to obtain an adequate view. It would also constrain the size and design of any concourses.
Moreover, standing accommodation may not be used for any international, Champions League or UEFA Cup match. During the 2006 World Cup all the stadia in Germany will be required to be all seated.
The Minister for Sport has stated publicly that the government will not abandon its all-seater policy unless compelling evidence is produced that it is no longer necessary.

[philip@pcarter3.oran]

I thought the idea of a web site was to have debate and pass on information not to slag everyone off who doesn't agree with your point of view!

[maccawozzagod]

I disagree .........

[WILL]

philip@pcarter3.oran - Come on mate, Dark Ages

The Dark ages where when we actually played up at Barrow, and Farsley
and Frickley and Stocksbridge... You remember the days do ya?
Thought not

The point I am getting across is nothing to do with Ground rules and regulations. On Saturday the back three or four rows were all stood up.
I was in the middle of the people stood up and in the first half I never got
asked to sit down and to my knowledge neither did anyone else.

Earlier on I noticed Big Al, pointing at me or if not at me in my direction which I thought was strange (Also, Other people commented about it). Come half time I go under the stand and get pulled by two stewards and a Police officer (not just myself).. The Steward told me that I was one of the ring leaders to the Ultras and I have been stood constantly throughout the first half..

I then asked the Steward how he knew I was a ring leader and he replied "Your stewards have pointed four or five of you out"

So, If Al or this philip@pcarter3.oran (Jobsworth) haven't been pointing people out then who has....

Also, I promise you if 60% of the Stanley fans who were at Rochdale Saturday stood up throughout the game I ASSURE you they were not gonna throw any of us out. Power in numbers. We just have to stick together.

[philip@pcarter3.oran]

I ain't any jobsworth, I didn't point anyone out, I didn't speak with any of the Rochdale stewards in the Accrington area. I new what was going to happen at half time. I spoke and advised a number of your supporters and at 30 mins into the game I sat on the back row near to the camera man.
It certainly explains your anger but don't point the finger of blame at me.

[baldy]

If one went...why didnt we all have to go? ... Afterall, rules are rules

[philip@pcarter3.oran]

Like you all say and are correct 'strength in numbers'

[WILL]

OUCH, Saucer of milk table 2..

I apologise Phil for having a go, I know you went as a supporter on
Saturday and Im sorry for tarring you with the same brush !!

Right so if it's not Phil, There is only 1 person it could of been ?????

Ps. This is my last post on this thread as it's now run it's course.

I stood for 90 minutes but feel sorry for the lads who got binned at half time. Just think that alot of the time Stewards take there job far too seriously. I was at Anfield last night and there were 12,000 in the Kop and everyone stood up throughout.. The stewards know the rules but obviously couldn't do a thing about it.. POWER IN NUMBERS !!

[poppy]

Originally Posted by WILL

philip@pcarter3.oran - Come on mate, Dark Ages

The Dark ages where when we actually played up at Barrow, and Farsley
and Frickley and Stocksbridge... You remember the days do ya?
Thought not

The point I am getting across is nothing to do with Ground rules and regulations. On Saturday the back three or four rows were all stood up.
I was in the middle of the people stood up and in the first half I never got
asked to sit down and to my knowledge neither did anyone else.

Earlier on I noticed Big Al, pointing at me or if not at me in my direction which I thought was strange (Also, Other people commented about it). Come half time I go under the stand and get pulled by two stewards and a Police officer (not just myself).. The Steward told me that I was one of the ring leaders to the Ultras and I have been stood constantly throughout the first half..

I then asked the Steward how he knew I was a ring leader and he replied "Your stewards have pointed four or five of you out"

So, If Al or this philip@pcarter3.oran (Jobsworth) haven't been pointing people out then who has....

Also, I promise you if 60% of the Stanley fans who were at Rochdale Saturday stood up throughout the game I ASSURE you they were not gonna throw any of us out. Power in numbers. We just have to stick together.

Get out of that without moving your lips big al. I read with interest how philip demands an apology and so do you. Yet it was you who offered your services to the dale stewards and you who pointed stanley fans out. why didn't you just watch the game like you paid to do. job gone to your head that is why. you should be ashamed of yourself for getting so many fellow stanley fans in trouble just to boost your own ego. the dale stewards could have done the job without your help.

[Redraine]

Originally Posted by Marty71

The other risk is that if clubs continue to allow supporters to stand then they can be fined which in Stanley's case for example could have a huge impact on the playin squad if players were to be sold as a consequence, or in worst case scenario's have matches played behind closed doors again with financial repercussions.

Oh, you mean like when little Alty get hammered for fielding an " in-eligible" player when the likes of Premiership West Ham get away scot free with Tevez and Mascherano, and thousands and thousands regularly stand up with impunity at Premiership grounds!

[Redraine]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Taken from the Football Licensing Authority website;


Following the Hillsborough Disaster, the government accepted the recommendation of Lord Justice’s Taylor’s inquiry that grounds in the top two divisions should become all-seated. The Inquiry’s conclusion that, while “there is no panacea which will achieve total safety and cure all problems of behaviour and crowd control, seating does more to achieve these objectives than any other single measure”, has been proved to be correct.
It is generally accepted that Premiership and Football League grounds are safer, more comfortable and more civilised that they were ten or twelve years ago, though the FLA recognise that not all the changes have found favour with all spectators.
The injury statistics that we have collected and published for the past few seasons strongly suggest that a spectator is less likely to be injured at an all-seated ground than at one that retains standing accommodation. This has remained true even since standing terraces were required to be upgraded to a prescribed standard, though the difference has reduced. While we have made standing much safer, it is still not as safe as sitting.
There are, moreover, a significant number of practical reasons against reintroducing standing terraces at our all-seated grounds. The conversion of all or part of a seating deck to standing accommodation would raise all sorts of complicated design and engineering issues relating to the gradient, the row depth, the viewing standards, the dynamic movement of the deck and the dynamics of the crowd. As a generality, it would require more space (hence a lower capacity) and spectators would have to be further away from the pitch to obtain an adequate view. It would also constrain the size and design of any concourses.
Moreover, standing accommodation may not be used for any international, Champions League or UEFA Cup match. During the 2006 World Cup all the stadia in Germany will be required to be all seated.
The Minister for Sport has stated publicly that the government will not abandon its all-seater policy unless compelling evidence is produced that it is no longer necessary.

Yes, I know, I know, but all this still does not address my point earlier in the thread which was - if safety is the criteria why is it safe to allow us to struggle to keep our balance when trying to get past already seated supporters before games and at half time? It's a damn sight more dangerous than that just standing during the game IMO. If stewards really were interested in safety, rather than excercising what appears to be their misguided brief, then we would have to fill up seats from the middle of the row outwards and vacate them from the outside inwards. Of course, if one geriatric like me needs the loo during the match everyone else would have to go too. And that's just as daft as the situation as it stands(!) at the moment is.

[maccawozzagod]

There's a time and place for seating. Sell-out Wembley, Old Trafford, Anfield etc yes, 700 in a 4000 seat stand no.

[Revived Red]

Originally Posted by Redraine

thousands and thousands regularly stand up with impunity at Premiership grounds!

I was listening to the Five Live phone-in as I drove back to Bristol from last night's game. Lots of Liverpool fans called in to praise the team and their own supporters - two commented on how fantastic it was to be in the crowd standing on The Kop for 90 minutes. When asked by presenter Mark Lawrenson about standing rather than sitting, one replied that everyone stands on The Kop.

By the way, I did send a text to the programme to praise Stanley - it was not read out.