Transdev and Timetables - Page 2

WillowTheWhisp · 04-07-2008, 22:19

Well it did used to be Accrington Transport before Transdev took over.

Royboy39 · 04-07-2008, 22:29

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Well it did used to be Accrington Transport before Transdev took over.

Dd it not go under the title of 'Hyndburn Transport'?

WillowTheWhisp · 04-07-2008, 22:31

Nope. This was a small private company, not council run.

Royboy39 · 04-07-2008, 22:35

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Nope. This was a small private company, not council run.

So.............whats your point?

WillowTheWhisp · 04-07-2008, 22:45

In what context? The company used to be a privately run company called Accrington Transport. It was taken over by Transdev but is still known as Accrington Transport (but part of Transdev). At no time was it ever anything to do with Accrington Corporation Transport or ever called Hyndburn Transport. Just clarifying that to avoid any possible confusion.

Royboy39 · 04-07-2008, 23:09

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

In what context? The company used to be a privately run company called Accrington Transport. It was taken over by Transdev but is still known as Accrington Transport (but part of Transdev). At no time was it ever anything to do with Accrington Corporation Transport or ever called Hyndburn Transport. Just clarifying that to avoid any possible confusion.

That seems to be a Garinda interpretation.
To avoid any possible confusion. A bus company bids for a particular route and has to carry out the restrictions and regulations for the running of the service.
Lancashire County Council for Hyndburn are responsible for the running of bus services and the protection of revenue for the area.
Inspectors for the particular companies and for Lancashire County Council are authorised to board any subsidised buses and check that that all the regulations are carried out to the letter of the contract.
Just to clarify the situation to avoid any possible confusion I am fully aware of the situation regarding de-regulised transport and I am willing to give you a lesson anytime.

Ernie · 04-07-2008, 23:16

If I may just clarify the situation (with respect), Accrington Corporation Transport Department became the Borough of Hyndburn Transport Department in the late seventies, and then on the 26th October 1986 became Hyndburn Transport Limited in line with the deregulation of public transport bill (1985). It was then that things started to go downhill as it ceased to be a public service but instead had to show a profit, some routes were subsidised by Lancashire County Council in the evenings but this was eventually removed and this was the start of the shambles of a bus service that you have today in Accrington, as it is now if you wish to travel out in the evenings or Sundays you have either to take a cab or walk, you certainly can't catch the bus thanks to Mrs Thatcher and her followers.

WillowTheWhisp · 05-07-2008, 09:51

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Originally Posted by Royboy39

That seems to be a Garinda interpretation.
To avoid any possible confusion. A bus company bids for a particular route and has to carry out the restrictions and regulations for the running of the service.
Lancashire County Council for Hyndburn are responsible for the running of bus services and the protection of revenue for the area.
Inspectors for the particular companies and for Lancashire County Council are authorised to board any subsidised buses and check that that all the regulations are carried out to the letter of the contract.
Just to clarify the situation to avoid any possible confusion I am fully aware of the situation regarding de-regulised transport and I am willing to give you a lesson anytime.

You can give me as many lessons as you like dear. That is not what I was talking about. I was referring to the ownership of the company which owns the buses which trundle up and down Ormerod Street. The buses are now owned by Transdev and the bus drivers are employed by Transdev. In different areas of the country the different subsections of Transdev are still 'trading' under the name of the company which Transdev took over/bought out. So although driver A's employer may be Transdev , the bus may have a Transdev and/or an Accrington Transport logo on it and if you want to phone them up regarding the Fern Gore bus you do not look up 'Transdev' in the phone book. You look up 'Accrington Transport' because that is what they are still known as for this area.

I do know all about subsidised routes and bus inspectors thank you but that has nothing to do with any of this. Accrington Transport was never at any time anything to do with ACT or Hyndburn Transport Ltd any more than Fraser Eagle has anything to do with Wallace Arnold!

Royboy39 · 05-07-2008, 23:08

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Originally Posted by Ernie

If I may just clarify the situation (with respect), Accrington Corporation Transport Department became the Borough of Hyndburn Transport Department in the late seventies, and then on the 26th October 1986 became Hyndburn Transport Limited in line with the deregulation of public transport bill (1985). It was then that things started to go downhill as it ceased to be a public service but instead had to show a profit, some routes were subsidised by Lancashire County Council in the evenings but this was eventually removed and this was the start of the shambles of a bus service that you have today in Accrington, as it is now if you wish to travel out in the evenings or Sundays you have either to take a cab or walk, you certainly can't catch the bus thanks to Mrs Thatcher and her followers.

Gordon Brown and his numpties in the government have had almost eleven years to rectify the situatiion and they, in their wisdom, have decided to make waves by regulation to make matters worse.
Pensioners have to show bus passes to qualify for reduced fares.
I don't see any problems with passes for students. In fiscal terms, that is how the councils subsides the bus routes.
Timetables are submitted by the bus companies to the licensing authority and are subject to approval before any changes are made.
Bus companies don't, and have never carried passengers for free.
How Frazer Eagle and Wallace Arnold got in there I'm not sure but if they are running school buses on subsidised routes, they too have to comply.
Private company 'Accrington Transport' not an issue really?

WillowTheWhisp · 05-07-2008, 23:41

I was using Fraser Eagle and Wallace Arnold as an example of two companies I was sure you would realise had no connection with each other - by way of illustration. How is it not an issue? If I wanted to complain about a bus driver for some reason then I would need to contact his employer and his employer (if he was driving a Fern Gore bus) would be Transdev still contactable under the ID of Accrington Transport for this particular area. If it was for another area then it would come under Lancashire United. Both are actually Transdev but there is no point in contacting the Lancashire United branch if it's about a Fern Gore bus because they have nothing to do with the Fern Gore buses.

Do you understand me yet? The two are owned by Transdev but operate separately.

Royboy39 · 06-07-2008, 13:56

I understood you first time round.
I have just added more points to your post tally.

WillowTheWhisp · 06-07-2008, 14:28

Oh good. I wasn't clear that you had got my drift.

Nori Brick · 10-07-2008, 13:16

willow your not the only one who is peeded off with trensdev I whent to blackburn a few weeks ago now an decided to go to wightburk to check out the price of a computer when i got back to the bus stop the timetable said the bus was due at 22 mins past the hour so i wated but no bus came down but 5 bus's went up.

shillelagh · 10-07-2008, 13:28

Thank god we still have rossendale transport ....... even though its privately owned by the council.

Margaret Pilkington · 10-07-2008, 13:43

We have been going to Manchester each Saturday for the last 4 weeks....the first 3 weeks we caught the 8.53 at the Hare and Hounds X41 straight through...no need to change at Accy.
Last week we went up for the bus, same time as usual...no bus.
it seems that the bus route for X41 has now changed and it comes from Blackburn.........there was no notice of this on the bus the previous week(one way of notifying service users - and a good way..much more likely to see it).
There was it seems, some information in the local papers...but I didn't see it.
So we stood there like a pair of Lemons until gone 9am and got on the bus to Accy...then into the big queue for a SINGLE decker.
I was not impressed.