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Old 13-11-2012, 01:43   #46
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This is taken from the BBC report..
'Earlier this year, judges at the European Court in Strasbourg ruled Abu-Qatada would not face ill-treatment if returned to Jordan, citing assurances outlined in a UK-Jordan agreement.'..
Seems clear to me that the Judge had the go ahead to deport the bloke but ruled against it citing his own doubts having one eye on the ECHR.

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Old 13-11-2012, 02:38   #47
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Now, now, Mancie, you're only telling half a story there, aren't you? The FULL story from the BBC is this

Judges at the European Court in Strasbourg ruled early in 2012 that the cleric would not face ill-treatment if returned to Jordan. They said a special UK-Jordan agreement over Mr Qatada's treatment, called a Memorandum of Understanding, was sound and met European standards of humane treatment.

Critically however, the judge did not believe he would get a fair trial because a Jordanian court could use evidence against Abu Qatada that had been obtained from the torture of others.


Or as the BBC helpfully explains...

The European Court of Human Rights, echoing the concerns of the UK's own Court of Appeal, said the preacher would be treated well if returned - but there was one big problem.

In their judgement they said that it doesn't matter what someone has done, modern nations that believe in the rule of law cannot send people back to regimes that torture - and then use that evidence against other suspects.


So, in fact, the ECHR ARE putting obstacles in the way of him being deported!
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Old 13-11-2012, 07:29   #48
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Now, now, Mancie, you're only telling half a story there, aren't you? The FULL story from the BBC is this
With skills as honed as this Mancie could become a great politician.....don't you think?
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Old 13-11-2012, 07:47   #49
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Now, now, Mancie, you're only telling half a story there, aren't you? The FULL story from the BBC is this
Can we trust what the BBC say though?
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Old 13-11-2012, 08:19   #50
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Sky news reports that Theresa May thinks that Justice Mitting(who was in charge of the proceedings) applied the 'wrong legal test' to this judgement....and stated that the government will continue to press for this mans removal.
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Old 13-11-2012, 09:12   #51
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The Prime Minister has just said on the news that they are striving to get a deportation but like others who have commented I'm not expecting anything to happen anytime soon. Why do people who feel so much hatred for a country choose to stay in it? Oh yeah I know it's for the benefits we are stupid enough to pay out
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Thats probably the number 1 reason Bernie, Number 2 is cos of the Soft Arses that run England.
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Thats probably the number 1 reason Bernie, Number 2 is cos of the Soft Arses that run England.
Have just thought, would be no shock if we now apologised n back dated his benefits.
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Old 13-11-2012, 12:53   #54
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Did I misunderstand the government announcement that there would be a cap on legal fees any one person can claim? Or does the cap apply for each court case?
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Sky news reports that Theresa May thinks that Justice Mitting(who was in charge of the proceedings) applied the 'wrong legal test' to this judgement....and stated that the government will continue to press for this mans removal.
The judge, just like the MP's in government was probably out on Sunday pretending to thank those who had given their lives for our freedom, whilst themselves removing any freedom we have ever had. Hypocrites
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Old 13-11-2012, 13:32   #56
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I'm sure they were...and probably wearing their poppy with pride on the run up to Rememberance Sunday.......they cannot see the hypocrisy.
It is all just lip service and weasel words.
Send this man back to Jordan, forthwith...let us waste no more time or money on him and his ilk.
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I'm sure they were...and probably wearing their poppy with pride on the run up to Rememberance Sunday.......they cannot see the hypocrisy.
It is all just lip service and weasel words.
Send this man back to Jordan, forthwith...let us waste no more time or money on him and his ilk.
Agreed, Margaret. If this was happening in France or Italy, this vile creature would've been kicked out years ago and sod the ECHR ruling.

Have you noticed how the Accyweb Labour and Tory politicians have carefully avoided this thread? Their silence speaks volumes!
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Old 13-11-2012, 17:24   #59
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The judge, just like the MP's in government was probably out on Sunday pretending to thank those who had given their lives for our freedom, whilst themselves removing any freedom we have ever had. Hypocrites
They gave their lives so that he could sit in a courtroom and give ludicrous judgements without being taken out and shot.

He owes it to their memory not to abuse that freedom, yet he goes ahead and gives rulings that he knows most people will find offensive.

He should be hanging his head in shame.
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They gave their lives so that he could sit in a courtroom and give ludicrous judgements without being taken out and shot.

He owes it to their memory not to abuse that freedom, yet he goes ahead and gives rulings that he knows most people will find offensive.

He should be hanging his head in shame.
Well said gynn.
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