“oppositional defiant disorder” - Page 3

Hiddlebit · 21-10-2010, 06:00

The jigsaw story is interesting, but I'd lay odds there's more to it than that.

A lot of kids with an ADHD diagnosis actually have autism, which would likely be a closer fit.

I work with a lot of families with autism.

Just as an aside, the comment about not seeing adults throwing themselves on the floor, etc. What about the large number of violent offenders in prison??

Kids in school in our day had autism, or at least a form of it, but it wasn't recognised. They coped better at school because the rules were clear and understandable. Example: we all had a desk we had to sit at. Kids with autism like stability and predictability. Go to a school now and be told "Sit where you want" - and see the autistic kid try to sit where they sat last time but someone else got there first...and watch things go wrong.

Ken Moss · 21-10-2010, 06:32

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Originally Posted by Hiddlebit

The jigsaw story is interesting, but I'd lay odds there's more to it than that.

A lot of kids with an ADHD diagnosis actually have autism, which would likely be a closer fit.

I work with a lot of families with autism.

Just as an aside, the comment about not seeing adults throwing themselves on the floor, etc. What about the large number of violent offenders in prison??

Kids in school in our day had autism, or at least a form of it, but it wasn't recognised. They coped better at school because the rules were clear and understandable. Example: we all had a desk we had to sit at. Kids with autism like stability and predictability. Go to a school now and be told "Sit where you want" - and see the autistic kid try to sit where they sat last time but someone else got there first...and watch things go wrong.

Now you're talking about autism, a completely different kettle of fish.

As I said, there are genuine cases out there but filling up every other child with Ritalin and over-diagnosing when in many cases a short sharp shock would bring unruly children into line is symptomatic of a lazy society that simply wants to pass the blame onto someone else, usually the government.

The little boy I mentioned earlier has completely changed following that one incident and without wanting to sound egotistical I think that me giving him a damn good telling off in front of both his parents and the police has had a lot to do with it.

People are too scared to exercise discipline these days for fear of the reprisals so they whip their kids off to the doctors and get them ripped to the eyeballs on the latest wonder drug and a collection of meaningless acronyms. Kids know this and are remarkably surprised when they do get told off by strangers nowadays.

Another incident two months ago involved a boy of no more than 5 or 6 throwing a bottle at my car. One swift reverse park later and a public dressing down paralysed him with fear because he clearly wasn't expecting any reprisals and his mates were suddenly all very quick to point the finger. An even bigger shock came when I escorted him home to his stunned parents, something which was very obviously a new experience.

I'm from a time when neighbours would tell you off and you got dragged home for an even bigger telling off from mum and dad. I stand by my belief that at least half of today's 'problem children' would not be a problem if we had better standards of discipline in the home.

forceten · 27-10-2010, 22:40

To the poster that gave me bad karma with the comment "sounds like an excuse for bad parenting if you ask me" Thanks very much.

And for the comments that "assume" that my son is on Ritalin................think again......he's not!! Our choice and one that my son agrees with.

And for the implications that I am using my son to claim benefits..............I don't!! The onlly benefit I get is for my daughter and that is for child benefit.

All I was trying to say was that until you have actually lived with this condition, and the implications that it has on family life then you reallly can't comment accurately can you?

My son has ADHD, and other co morbids, at not time did I say I was claiming benefits for this, or that I was a bad parent, or that he was on Ritalin.

Oh,and yes I am married, have been for 23 years now so I'm not a single parent family either.

Oh, and both my husband and myself work as well.

I am very proud of both of my children, and the young adults that they are becoming, and that is because they have loving and supportive parents.

Ignorance is bliss.............think your biased comments have just proved that!!

I have never ever read such biased opinions in my life!!

Child who has ADHD.........must be bad parents!!

cashman · 27-10-2010, 23:10

seems to me you are the one wi biased opinions Forceten, have a nephew wi adhd, who was diagnosed early,has just left his special school last year, so i know fer fact he has good loving parents, just as your kids have, i aint blind enough though to realize, there are bad/lazy parents also, who use this as n excuse fer themselves.

forceten · 27-10-2010, 23:13

So I'm biased am I? Having received bad karma for "being an excuse for a bad parent, assuming that I put my child on ritalin, that the condition ADHD is made up?

Read the thread again cashman

cashman · 27-10-2010, 23:18

yep yer biased n i have read the thread before i gave my opinion, n moaning about karma don't help, get a life its meaningless.

Mancie · 27-10-2010, 23:33

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Originally Posted by cashman

seems to me you are the one wi biased opinions Forceten, have a nephew wi adhd, who was diagnosed early,has just left his special school last year, so i know fer fact he has good loving parents, just as your kids have, i aint blind enough though to realize, there are bad/lazy parents also, who use this as n excuse fer themselves.

If there are parents who use their kids medical condition as an excuse for being bad parents.. or even worse use it as a means to get benifits then of course they are a disgrace.. I don't personally know any and would'nt want to..some parents may cope with the problem better than others..it's as simple as that... but then in the present political climate of weeding out the vunerable it'll be no surprise if it turns into yet another witch hunt.

BERNADETTE · 27-10-2010, 23:40

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Originally Posted by Mancie

If there are parents who use their kids medical condition as an excuse for being bad parents.. or even worse use it as a means to get benifits then of course they are a disgrace.. I don't personally know any and would'nt want to..some parents may cope with the problem better than others..it's as simple as that... but then in the present political climate it's no surprise if it turns into a witch hunt.

Mancie I do know of people (some may call them parents I call them scroungers) who will and do use any excuse to claim extra benefits. Simple case really of the benefit system being abused and it is about time things were taken in hand (but doubt they ever will be, whichever party is in power

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cashman · 27-10-2010, 23:43

just think back mancie, was unheard of, back in the day, yep wi medical advancements this terrible thing is now diagnosed, but all the kids that are diagnosed these days don't come from outer space? i certainly dont know any that use this thing to get benefits, there may well be some,who knows? but i certainly know some i term as crap parents, that just want a quiet life, n ya will never convince me you never seen any.

Mancie · 28-10-2010, 00:00

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Originally Posted by cashman

just think back mancie, was unheard of, back in the day, yep wi medical advancements this terrible thing is now diagnosed, but all the kids that are diagnosed these days don't come from outer space? i certainly dont know any that use this thing to get benefits, there may well be some,who knows? but i certainly know some i term as crap parents, that just want a quiet life, n ya will never convince me you never seen any.

I can't say there are no crap parents.. of course in everyday life I've seen and heard of some that are bad parents.. but personally I don't know any.. and I definitely know of none that would try to gain more in benifits.

Mancie · 28-10-2010, 00:10

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Mancie I do know of people (some may call them parents I call them scroungers) who will and do use any excuse to claim extra benefits. Simple case really of the benefit system being abused and it is about time things were taken in hand (but doubt they ever will be, whichever party is in power

)

Any system were money is involved is liable to abused by the rich or poor..to soon to forget the rich bankers who abused the system.. and the already well paid MP's with their expenses... but seems to me this government and the press have an agenda designed to highlight those less well off as the main culprits.

jaysay · 28-10-2010, 09:21

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE

Mancie I do know of people (some may call them parents I call them scroungers) who will and do use any excuse to claim extra benefits. Simple case really of the benefit system being abused and it is about time things were taken in hand (but doubt they ever will be, whichever party is in power

)

Many years ago Bernie, there was a family who had 7 children, sadly one of the kids was in an accident and died from the injuries, much to the disgust of many people the only thing the father could say was that he would be losing the child allowance for his dead child

jaysay · 28-10-2010, 09:24

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Originally Posted by Mancie

Any system were money is involved is liable to abused by the rich or poor..to soon to forget the rich bankers who abused the system.. and the already well paid MP's with their expenses... but seems to me this government and the press have an agenda designed to highlight those less well off as the main culprits.

So to your mind the "less well off" are quite entitled to cheat the system are they, so long as we're all clear on that fact Mancie

Mancie · 28-10-2010, 09:37

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Originally Posted by jaysay

So to your mind the "less well off" are quite entitled to cheat the system are they, so long as we're all clear on that fact Mancie

When did I say the less well of are entitled to cheat?.. you have always tried to twist and turn peoples posts on here as a means to back up any government actions when they are tory...I say the present government are active in slamming down those on low incomes..and you know they are because that is what any tory would do.. now stop messing and at least be honest!

Mancie · 28-10-2010, 09:50

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Originally Posted by Mancie

When did I say the less well of are entitled to cheat?.. you have always tried to twist and turn peoples posts on here as a means to back up any government actions when they are tory...I say the present government are active in slamming down those on low incomes..and you know they are because that is what any tory would do.. now stop messing and at least be honest!

I know you are a bit slow .. I'll give you 24 hours to get your orders from head office..